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ICANT
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Message 16 of 316 (403980)
06-06-2007 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Archer Opteryx
06-06-2007 1:53 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Hi Archer,
We need a chronological sequence of signal events in natural history. The chronology has to show how events known to science are to be juxtaposed with the biblical narrative as you understand it (OP).
Why do I need to give a timeline or sequence of events?
The literal text does not give one.
If you are asking at what point in the day each event took place I do not have a clue.
I have been told on this forum many times that the Bible is not a book of science.
If you are asking how many years of time as we know it passed during this day, I do not have a clue. I have a guess but you would not like it.
I will gladly defer to the scientist to ponder those things and come up with the answers.
This brings us to 'the earth.' Please show where we are to understand the beginnings of tectonic activity happening on earth, and where we should place the various 'snapshots' of its progress up to the present. For reference:
I will get to tectonic activity at a later date but for now I want to concentrate on getting the literal account that is recorded in the verses addressed so far. There are verses that deal with this subject.
There's no need to clutter your time line with detailed histories of individual clads. Just show where in the sequence we find:
-- the Ordovician crisis
-- the Devonian crisis
-- the Permian Mass Extinction
-- the End Cretaceous event
The literal text does not address these things. It states that the things mentioned in Genesis 2:4-4:26 took place in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.
I again will defer to the scientist to dig in the earth and try to answer these questions.
None of the events or chronology you mentioned has any bearing on the things in the literal text of Genesis 1:1, Genesis 2:4-4:26.
I have been told on this forum that the Bible account of creation is a lie, a myth, a fabricated story, and a group of myths.
I have been told the universe was 6-10k years old.
I have read some outlandish explanations of the Genesis account of creation trying to make it fit the scientific account.
My attempt here is to examine what the text says and determine if it says something different from science, not propose a scientific account of creation.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 17 of 316 (403986)
06-06-2007 8:49 AM
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06-06-2007 7:25 AM


Re: Chonology, please
{qs,b>Icant:[/b]
I have been told on this forum many times that the Bible is not a book of science.
Indeed you have. But the subject is not what you have been told. It is your hypothesis, introduced in the OP.
Your hypothesis is built on the premise that the Bible is to be understood literally as a chronological sequence of cosmological and geological events.
It shares this premise with YEC interpretations.
Your hypothesis further stipulates, though, that YECs misread the chronology. You propose to correct this misreading of the sequence with the chronology you propose.
What your chronology lacks is any relationship at all to known events in natural history.
If you are asking how many years of time as we know it passed during this day, I do not have a clue.
I am asking you for a chronologically ordered sequence of events that incorporates the signal events in natural history relative to our planet.
If you don't know precise placements, that's fine. Even giving a range--'no earlier than this place, no later than that place'--would be helpful.
I will gladly defer to the scientist to ponder those things and come up with the answers.
Scientists have no reason to ponder anything if it contradicts known science. That's why your glad willingness to defer to science is obliged to take the form of showing how your model is at least plausible in that realm.
My attempt here is to examine what the text says and determine if it says something different from science, not propose a scientific account of creation.
What I have requested is far from being anything so ambitious as 'a scientific account of creation.'
I am giving you an opportunity to do what you say you want to do. You say you want to determine whether or not your hypothesis 'says something different from science.' Ignoring science completely doesn't do that job.
A chronological sequence is a start. Where do the big events fit?
Please show this, as far as your model allows.
_____

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Message 18 of 316 (403987)
06-06-2007 8:50 AM
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06-06-2007 7:25 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Icant:
I have been told on this forum many times that the Bible is not a book of science.
Indeed you have. But the subject is your hypothesis, introduced in the OP.
Your hypothesis is built on the premise that the Bible is to be understood literally as a chronological sequence of cosmological and geological events.
It shares this premise with YEC interpretations.
Your hypothesis further stipulates, though, that YECs misread the chronology. You propose to correct this misreading of the sequence with the chronology you propose.
What your chronology lacks is any relationship at all to known events in natural history.
If you are asking how many years of time as we know it passed during this day, I do not have a clue.
I am asking you for a chronologically ordered sequence of events that incorporates the signal events in natural history relative to our planet.
If you don't know precise placements, that's fine. Even giving a range--'no earlier than this place, no later than that place'--would be helpful.
I will gladly defer to the scientist to ponder those things and come up with the answers.
Scientists have no reason to ponder anything if it contradicts known science. That's why your glad willingness to defer to science is obliged to take the form of showing how your model is at least plausible in that realm.
My attempt here is to examine what the text says and determine if it says something different from science, not propose a scientific account of creation.
What I have requested is far from being anything so ambitious as 'a scientific account of creation.'
I am giving you an opportunity to do what you say you want to do. You say you want to determine whether or not your hypothesis 'says something different from science.' Ignoring science completely doesn't do that job.
A chronological sequence is a start. Where do the big events fit?
Please show this, as far as your model allows.
_____
Edited by Archer Opterix, : html
Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

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Message 19 of 316 (403997)
06-06-2007 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Archer Opteryx
06-06-2007 8:50 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Archer, I think ICANT doesn't understand your request.
ICANT, Archer is just asking what happened before what, in other word, he wants: A happened, then B happened, then C happened, etc. In other words, he wants to understand what you are saying so we can discuss it - it means he's listening to you.
I think ICANT already provided this in the OP.
ICANT seems to be saying that gen 1:1 includes the 49 items in the first list, which happened in the order listed. They are:
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen. 1:1
In the same day the following 49 things took place.
2. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Gen. 2:4
3. This man was formed from the earth. Gen. 2:7
4. He was placed in a Garden eastward in Eden. Gen. 2:8
5. Every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food was there. Gen. 2:9
6. The tree of Life was there. Gen. 2:9
7. The tree of good and evil was there. Gen. 2:9
8. A river went out of Eden to water the garden. Gen. 2:10
9. It parted and made 4 rivers. Gen. 2:10
10. God gave the man a job to keep the garden. Gen. 2:15
11. Man told he could eat of every tree in the garden. Gen 2:16
12. Except the tree of knowledge of good and evil he could not eat from, for in that day he would surely die.
13. Not good that man should be alone. Gen. 2:18
14. God formed every beast, and every fowl out of the ground. Gen 2:19.
15. God brought the animals to the man to see what he would call them. Gen 2:19.
16. Adam gave names to all beasts and fowl, but no help found for him. Gen 2:19.
17. Deep sleep fell upon Adam, God took a rib. Gen 2:20.
18. God made a woman from this rib, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:23.
19. Adam called her woman. Gen 2:23.
20 Adam said man would leave all for woman as they were one flesh. Gen 2:24.
21. Serpent approached Eve. Gen. 3:1
22. Serpent told Eve you will not surely die. Gen. 3:4
23. Serpent told her your eyes will be opened and you will be as God knowing good and evil. Gen. 3:5
24. Eve took and ate, she gave to Adam and he did eat. Gen. 3:4
25. They sewed fig leaves together to make apron's. Gen. 3: 7
26. God called for Adam but Adam was afraid, and naked and so he hid from God. Gen. 3:8
27. God asked Adam did he eat of the tree of good and evil, Gen. 3:11 28. Adam blamed it on Eve Gen. 3:12
29. Eve, blamed it on the serpent. (Satan) Gen. 3:13
30. Serpent cursed to crawl on belly, all the days of his life. Gen. 3:14
31. God put enmity between the seed of woman (Jesus) and Satan. Gen. 3:15
32. God multiplied sorrow in conception and birth. Gen. 3:16
33. Adam told he would return unto the earth. Gen. 3:19
34. Adam call the woman Eve. Gen. 3:20
35. God made them coats of skin. Gen. 3:21
36. The man had become one who knew good from evil. Gen. 3:22
37. To keep him from eating of the tree of Life and living forever God sent him forth from the garden. Gen. 3:23
38. God set a cherubim to guard the way of the tree of life.
39. Adam knew Eve she conceived and bore Cain. Gen. 4:1
40. Eve bore Able. Gen. 4:2
41. Cain offered fruit of the ground to the Lord. Gen. 4:3
42. Able offered firstlings of the flock, and the Lord had respect for his offering. Gen. 4:4
43. But to Cain's offering God had not respect, and Cain was very angry. Gen. 4;5
44. Cain killed Able. Gen. 4:8
45. Cain cursed. Gen. 4:11
46. Cain told earth would not its strength. Gen. 4:12
47. Cain went to the land of Nod. Gen. 4:16
48. Cain's wife bore Enoch and Cain built a city named Enoch. Gen. 4:17
49. Eve bore Seth. Gen. 4:25
50. Seth's wife bore him a son and then men began to call upon the Lord. Gen. 4:26
Then, I think ICANT is saying that that items in the second list happened (after the items in the first list), again in the order listed:
1. Earth was without form and void. Gen. 1:2
2. God created light. Gen. 1:3
4. God divided light from darkness. Gen. 1:4
5. God called the light day and the darkness night. Gen. 1:5
6. Evening and morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5
7. God created a firmament between waters. Gen. 1:6
8. God called the firmament heaven, evening and morning were second day. Gen. 1:8
9. God gathered water into one place, and let dry land appear. Gen. 1:9
God called the dry land Earth, and the water's He called seas. Gen. 1:10
10. God said let the earth bring forth vegetation it did, Gen. 1:11
11. The earth brought forth vegetation. Gen. 1:13
12. The evening and morning were the third day. Gen. 1:13
13. God said let there be light, it was so. Gen. 1:14-15
14. God made 2 great lights, and the morning and evening were the 4th day. Gen. 1:16-19
15. God said let the waters bring forth fishes, the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that fly, each after its own kind, God said be fruitful and multiply. Gen. 1:20-21
16. And the evening and morning were the fifth day. Gen. 1:23
17 God said let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind. Gen. 1:24-25
18. God said let Us make man in our image and likeness, and give them dominion over fish,
Fowl, and beasts. So he made man in his own image male and female. Gen. 1:26-27
19, God said unto them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Gen. 1:28
20. God gave them every herb and fruit upon the earth for food. Gen. 1:29
21. The morning and evening were the sixth day. Gen. 1:31
22. The seventh day God rested. Gen. 2:1-2:3
ICANT, is my summary of your view correct? If not, please correct it. First we need to all understand what you are proposing before we can rationally discuss it.
Have a fun day-

-Equinox
_ _ _ ___ _ _ _
You know, it's probably already answered at An Index to Creationist Claims...
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ICANT
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Message 20 of 316 (404001)
06-06-2007 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Archer Opteryx
06-06-2007 8:50 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Your hypothesis is built on the premise that the Bible is to be understood literally as a chronological sequence of cosmological and geological events.
My hypothesis is built on the fact that Genesis states certain thing happened. It does not address cosmological and geological events.
I am not trying to prove creation. I am just trying to determine what the literal words in the text says.
Science can prove all the things you are talking about.
What your chronology lacks is any relationship at all to known events in natural history.
Point out one thing in my chronology that does not agree with scientific fact.
Your hypothesis further stipulates, though, that YECs misread the chronology.
YEC's are not the only one that read the chronology wrong.
I am not sure they get the 7 days of Moses as I call them that is the events recorded in Genesis 1:2-Genesis 2:3 wrong. I will discuss that later.
At the moment I would like to determine if the events in Genesis 1:1 and the events recorded in Genesis 2:4-4:26 occur in the same day.
Using only the words of the KJV Bible.
Would you read the verses referred to and give me your opinion.
Does the verses claim that everything happened the same day?
Please show this, as far as your model allows.
You are trying to make this a scientific debate.
It is not.
This is an effort to see what the Genesis account of the creation in the KJV taken literally says.
You can ask for things that are not recorded in the Genesis account of creation all you want I will give you nothing that is not recorded.
If I did you would say ah ha now you are saying the Bible is a science book. I will make no such claim.
I will let science produce facts.
I will let the Bible say what it says.
If they agree then great.
If scientific facts and the Bible disagree then there is a problem.
I know from our prior conversations that you have many other things to point out that the Bible is wrong about.
But for now indulge me and lets examine the verses referenced in Genesis as to what they say.
Scientists have no reason to ponder anything if it contradicts known science.
But there are many things to ponder. Like where did the singularity come from and why? Where life came from and why?
Then there are many facts, and I think The literal Genesis account of creation will agree will all the known facts and many facts that are yet unknown.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 21 of 316 (404002)
06-06-2007 9:57 AM
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06-06-2007 6:47 AM


Re: Re-Two Points
At a later date billions of years later in time as you and I know it but as far as that period was concerned it was still the same day as there had been no night yet.
Or more likely no day yet, as there wasn't a sun.

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Message 22 of 316 (404004)
06-06-2007 9:58 AM
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06-06-2007 9:32 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Thanks, Equinox. Yes, that's what I'm looking for.
It is not obvious, to say the least, how some of the things in List 2 happen after events in List 1. Humans get agriculture going, for example, then the earth becomes 'waste and void' and then it finally gets sunlight.
But first it would be helpful to know how ICANT sees his list as relating to natural history. He has referred in subsequent comments to the extinction of dinosaurs. He clearly sees his model as addressing this subject in some way.
But how? His list makes no mention of the End Cretaceous event. Where should we place it? And if that's in the picture, where is the Permian extinction, which was far more vast?
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : clarity.

Archer
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Message 23 of 316 (404005)
06-06-2007 9:58 AM
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06-06-2007 6:47 AM


Re: Re-Two Points
quote:
Genesis 1:2 comes after Genesis 4:26.
That's not a very helpful answer. I assume that you mean that it happens immediately after the birth of Enosh (Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5:26). But Genesis 5 mentions no such event. Come to that Genesis 4:26 itself isn't obviously in chronological sequence - Genesis 4 gives a number of generations of Cain's descendants but only 1 for Seth. So do the events of Genesis 4:26 mark the end of the day or Genesis 4:24 ?
quote:
Genesis 5 has nothing to do with what took place in the day the Lord God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 5 overlaps with Genesis 4 including the births of Seth and Enosh which I have explicitly referred you to twice and you included those events in your "one day".
quote:
As pointed out in Genesis 2:4 there was a series of events that took place the same day as the heaven and earth was created.
Those things are listed in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26.
What is the basis for choosing Genesis 4:26 as the end of the day ? Especially when Genesis 5 tells us that the birth of Enosh in Genesis 4:26 occurred when Adam was 235 years old ?
quote:
At a later date billions of years later in time as you and I know it but as far as that period was concerned it was still the same day as there had been no night yet.
So are you now saying that your "day" is billions of years of continuous daylight (before the Sun had been created) ?.
And where do the billions of years fit into the Genesis genealogies ? Are you really putting billions of years between the birth of Enosh and the birth of Kenan (which, according to Genesis 5:9, happened only 90 years later ?).

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Message 24 of 316 (404006)
06-06-2007 9:59 AM
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06-06-2007 1:07 AM


Re: Re-without form and void
My point still stands.
How?
It doesn't matter about the time span. You still have Adam and Eve running around on a formless and void earth. That doesn't make any sense.
You are saying you believe the earth was created billions of years ago and was without form and void.
"Don't quote me boy, I ain't said shit."
What makes you thin that I believe that? I trying to make sense out of what you are saying. But there doesn't seem to be any
Does that mean there were no dino's?
come on now... don't 'tard out on me.
Remember this is taking what is written literaly.
Actually, its not.
You're cutting it up and rearranging it.
And you doing a poor job of defending your arrangement.
I think it makes more sense as written.
You've failed to convince me of your 'theory'.

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Message 25 of 316 (404008)
06-06-2007 10:07 AM
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06-06-2007 9:55 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Point out one thing in my chronology that does not agree with scientific fact.
There are bunches - Earth before Sun, land plants before sea creatures, grasses before land animals... It's a campfire tale, or rather two campfire tales.

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Message 26 of 316 (404011)
06-06-2007 10:13 AM
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06-06-2007 9:32 AM


Re: Chonology, please
ICANT, is my summary of your view correct? If not, please correct it. First we need to all understand what you are proposing before we can rationally discuss it.
Finally someone who read the op.
This is exactly what I am trying to determine.
The first list of things I think took place billions of years ago, all in the same day. Which day could have lasted billions of years in time as we know it. But night had not been made yet so it was just one big long day.
I know that don't make sense but that is what it implies by saying all those things happened in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.
Why do I say billions of years? Because science says it took place billions of years ago. I have no other reference.
The second list of things took place at a much later date.
But Archer keeps wanting me to give a list of scientific things that took place. I keep telling him I will leave that to the scientist.
Having a great day talking about my favorite subject.
Fundies and YEC's won't even talk to me about it.
They tell me I have gone off the deep end.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 27 of 316 (404014)
06-06-2007 10:26 AM
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06-06-2007 10:07 AM


Re: Chonology, please
There are bunches - Earth before Sun, land plants before sea creatures, grasses before land animals... It's a campfire tale, or rather two campfire tales.
I went back and reread my op and I didn't find one of the things you mentioned that was out of place in my first list of things.
You are confusing my list with someone else's. Or at least I hope that is what you are doing, which could be an honest mistake.
If you want to give your opinion read the op and then point out one thing that disagrees with scientific fact.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 28 of 316 (404016)
06-06-2007 10:31 AM
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06-06-2007 9:55 AM


Re: Chonology, please
Icant:
Does the verses claim that everything happened the same day?
The text says the cosmos was brought into existence 'at the outset.'
Not much is happening on our home planet when the curtain goes up.
It has no shape and no light. It consists of a single vast ocean. Then light is created.
We are told that wraps up all the action on Day 1.
'Evening and morning' complete the day.
Then we get events said to belong to Day 2.
'Evening and morning' also complete this day.
Then we get events said to belong to Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, and Day 6.
'Evening and morning' complete each day.
Day 7 means the end of creative work for Elohim.
There is no mention of Day 7 having an 'evening and morning.' There is no mention of a Day 8. Day 7 is never said, in the text, to have ended.
Then comes Chapter 2.
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Message 29 of 316 (404018)
06-06-2007 10:33 AM
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06-06-2007 10:26 AM


Re: Chonology, please
The Genesis 1 list, your points 10 through 18. Read it yourself!

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Message 30 of 316 (404020)
06-06-2007 10:50 AM
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06-06-2007 9:59 AM


Re: Re-without form and void
You've failed to convince me of your 'theory'.
I am not trying to convince you of my theory. You are entitled to believe anything you want. Do you have a theory and if so what is it? Start a thread and we will discuss it.
And you doing a poor job of defending your arrangement.
Answer this:
Does Genesis 2:4 state the generations described took place the same day as Genesis 1:1?
Does Gensis 5:1 state those generations cover the things in Genesis 1:26?
ICANT writes:
You are saying you believe the earth was created billions of years ago and was without form and void.
Catholic Scientist writes
"Don't quote me boy, I ain't said shit."
At 67 I don't think boy cuts it maybe senile.
Message 11
Catholic Scientist writes:
How did those 49 things happen when the earth was without form and void?
ICANT writes:
Genesis 1:2 was billions of years after Gen. 1:1
Catholic Scientist writes
I realize that.
Did I misunderstand what you realized.
When you said I realize that Genesis 1:2 was billions of years after Genesis 1:1.
Verse 1 says created.
Verse 2 says without form and void.
If there are billions of years in-between I would draw from that the earth was without form and void for billions of years.
Would you like to clarify.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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