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Author Topic:   The Literal Genesis Account of Creation
Psalm148
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Message 272 of 316 (406790)
06-22-2007 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by ringo
06-22-2007 10:29 AM


Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8
No name calling. Granted I haven't read the entirety of this debate, but mocking someone isn't necessary.
As for their point, their point stands even though they used a non-existent word. You replenish something after it has been depleted.
The only reason the two chapters would differ is if either it is a paradox (definition, something that appears contrary but is in fact true), or the entire thing was written by different people who had no connection with each other.
What kind of fool would write Genesis 1, and then write a seemingly contradiction in Gen.2? There has to be a reason. Either the person who was writing had drunk one too many ales, or the two accounts actually agree.
I'm going to read some of the other discussion on this, hopefully what I've said wasn't off topic, or had been said already.

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Psalm148
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Message 274 of 316 (406793)
06-22-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by New Cat's Eye
06-22-2007 12:45 PM


Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8
The Jewish Torah includes Genesis, no? According to that, genesis was written by Moses. If it wasn't and if it was written by different people, then why were they both included? Why do they reference the same God? They believed the same thing, unless you are saying that two completely different accounts somehow wormed their way into multiple religious texts.
The Hebrew Pentateuch was written a long time ago, and has been part of Jewish belief for a long time. I hope this clarifies, sorry gotta jet.

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Psalm148
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Message 287 of 316 (406922)
06-22-2007 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by pbee
06-22-2007 8:34 PM


about Genesis and God in general
Look up the word for God in the Genesis accounts:
Is is Elohiym (only with marks I'm not gonna even attempt to put in : ), but is pronounced Elohiem for us non linguists.
It means Mighty ones. Now why on earth would the word for God be plural?
I'll give a hint:
Exo 3:4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."
Act 7:30 "Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush.
Are the books contradictory, or is it somehow truth still?
Since I'm posting now, I'll give my answer to the above two posed questions.
God Manifestation. God worked through some "Mighty Ones" (likely angels), to get what he wanted accomplished.
Something to understand about translation is that LORD, is Yahweh, and God is often Elohiem, so they generally can refer to different things.
So in the Genesis account, God gave the authority and power to the angels to create things, and worked through them (gave them his power) to create the world.
Compare this with:
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Why would God say make man in 'our' image? Isn't God one?
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
However, if the creation were done through the angels, it makes more sense. It explains things like why people didn't always recognized angels when they saw them.
Just to throw this out there for consideration.

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