The Literal Genesis Account of Creation

There are many so called Christians out there doing more harm to God's cause than non believers. All those of you who have read my posts know that I do not claim to be a Christian (Christlike) but I am working on it.But the idea of the earth only being 6-10k years old is false, and comes from not understanding the Genesis account of creation.I believe the Genesis account of creation to be correct. Just a little mixed up so I will propose my theory of the beginning according to the Genesis account. I propose to examine the Genesis account as literal, using KJV Bible.1. There was a creation in Genesis 1:1 and should be coupled with
Genesis 2:4 because all this was done in the same day.2. At a much later date possibly millions, billions or trillions of years later we find earth in the condition it is in, in Genesis 1:2. Thus the 7 days of Moses in a re-creation. Beginning at Genesis 1:2 going through Genesis 2:3 then jumping to Genesis 5:1 and continuing.I mention trillions of years here because we only know the approximate age of the earth as it keeps changing as we get better methods of dating.Observations1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen. 1:1In the same day the following 49 things took place.2. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Gen. 2:4
3. This man was formed from the earth. Gen. 2:7
4. He was placed in a Garden eastward in Eden. Gen. 2:8
5. Every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food was there. Gen. 2:9
6. The tree of Life was there. Gen. 2:9
7. The tree of good and evil was there. Gen. 2:9
8. A river went out of Eden to water the garden. Gen. 2:10
9. It parted and made 4 rivers. Gen. 2:10
10. God gave the man a job to keep the garden. Gen. 2:15
11. Man told he could eat of every tree in the garden. Gen 2:16
12. Except the tree of knowledge of good and evil he could not eat from, for in that day he would surely die.
13. Not good that man should be alone. Gen. 2:18
14. God formed every beast, and every fowl out of the ground. Gen 2:19.
15. God brought the animals to the man to see what he would call them. Gen 2:19.
16. Adam gave names to all beasts and fowl, but no help found for him. Gen 2:19.
17. Deep sleep fell upon Adam, God took a rib. Gen 2:20.
18. God made a woman from this rib, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:23.
19. Adam called her woman. Gen 2:23.
20 Adam said man would leave all for woman as they were one flesh. Gen 2:24.
21. Serpent approached Eve. Gen. 3:1
22. Serpent told Eve you will not surely die. Gen. 3:4
23. Serpent told her your eyes will be opened and you will be as God knowing good and evil. Gen. 3:5
24. Eve took and ate, she gave to Adam and he did eat. Gen. 3:4
25. They sewed fig leaves together to make apron's. Gen. 3: 7
26. God called for Adam but Adam was afraid, and naked and so he hid from God. Gen. 3:8
27. God asked Adam did he eat of the tree of good and evil, Gen. 3:11 28. Adam blamed it on Eve Gen. 3:12
29. Eve, blamed it on the serpent. (Satan) Gen. 3:13
30. Serpent cursed to crawl on belly, all the days of his life. Gen. 3:14
31. God put enmity between the seed of woman (Jesus) and Satan. Gen. 3:15
32. God multiplied sorrow in conception and birth. Gen. 3:16
33. Adam told he would return unto the earth. Gen. 3:19
34. Adam call the woman Eve. Gen. 3:20
35. God made them coats of skin. Gen. 3:21
36. The man had become one who knew good from evil. Gen. 3:22
37. To keep him from eating of the tree of Life and living forever God sent him forth from the garden. Gen. 3:23
38. God set a cherubim to guard the way of the tree of life.
39. Adam knew Eve she conceived and bore Cain. Gen. 4:1
40. Eve bore Able. Gen. 4:2
41. Cain offered fruit of the ground to the Lord. Gen. 4:3
42. Able offered firstlings of the flock, and the Lord had respect for his offering. Gen. 4:4
43. But to Cain's offering God had not respect, and Cain was very angry. Gen. 4;5
44. Cain killed Able. Gen. 4:8
45. Cain cursed. Gen. 4:11
46. Cain told earth would not its strength. Gen. 4:12
47. Cain went to the land of Nod. Gen. 4:16
48. Cain's wife bore Enoch and Cain built a city named Enoch. Gen. 4:17
49. Eve bore Seth. Gen. 4:25
50. Seth's wife bore him a son and then men began to call upon the Lord. Gen. 4:26Genesis 1:2 -2:3 Observations:1. Earth was without form and void. Gen. 1:2
2. God created light. Gen. 1:3
4. God divided light from darkness. Gen. 1:4
5. God called the light day and the darkness night. Gen. 1:5
6. Evening and morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5
7. God created a firmament between waters. Gen. 1:6
8. God called the firmament heaven, evening and morning were second day. Gen. 1:8
9. God gathered water into one place, and let dry land appear. Gen. 1:9
God called the dry land Earth, and the water's He called seas. Gen. 1:10
10. God said let the earth bring forth vegetation it did, Gen. 1:11
11. The earth brought forth vegetation. Gen. 1:13
12. The evening and morning were the third day. Gen. 1:13
13. God said let there be light, it was so. Gen. 1:14-15
14. God made 2 great lights, and the morning and evening were the 4th day. Gen. 1:16-19
15. God said let the waters bring forth fishes, the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that fly, each after its own kind, God said be fruitful and multiply. Gen. 1:20-21
16. And the evening and morning were the fifth day. Gen. 1:23
17 God said let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind. Gen. 1:24-25
18. God said let Us make man in our image and likeness, and give them dominion over fish,
Fowl, and beasts. So he made man in his own image male and female. Gen. 1:26-27
19, God said unto them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Gen. 1:28
20. God gave them every herb and fruit upon the earth for food. Gen. 1:29
21. The morning and evening were the sixth day. Gen. 1:31
22. The seventh day God rested. Gen. 2:1-2:3BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDING OBSERVATIONS:I. There had to be 2 separate creation events.1. One where God made the Universe and everything in it in one day.
2. One where there was 6 days of creating and one day of rest.Faith and Belief please.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

It is one day.In the OP I said I was going to look at Genesis as a literal account of the creation.This is Faith and Belief.Ok so let me tackle those two points.First point how did the 49 things take place in one day?

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Gene 1:1 (KJS) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Gene 2:4 (KJS) These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

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Notice in Gen. 1:1 it says created the heaven and earth.Gen. 2:4 says in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.That is the same day.Gen. 2:4 says These are the generations in the day.We are limited by time and so we think everything else is limited by time.God is not limited by time so time as we know it did not exist in the day God made the heavens and the earth. It did not exist until he made day and night.Second point: where Gen. 1:2-2:3 takes place.Genesis 1:5 could have been billions of years later in time as we know it but to God it was one day.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Genesis 1:2 was billions of years after Gen. 1:1

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Verse 5 says every plant of the field before it was in the earth. Genesis 1:11 says the seed is in itself, upon the earth.In Genesis 2:5 there was no seed in Genesis 1:11 there was seed already upon the earth.One other thing to notice in Genesis 2:5 the face of the ground was watered by a mist that came up from the earth. The ground must have been close to the water table for this to occur.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This man was formed of the dust of the ground.
This man was formed before any plants, animals, or fowl.
The formed man was placed in a garden.
The ground produced trees. This man was created in the image of God male and female.
God blessed them.
God told them to be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth and subdue it.
They were given dominion over the fish of the sea, the fowl, and every living thing that moved on the earth.They were to replenish the earth Indicating that it had been inhabited before them, else they could not replenish it.This man and woman was not put in a garden.
This man and woman was created on the 6th day.Genesis 2:15 still in the day the Lord God created the heavens and the earth. This man was placed in the garden to dress it. This man told he could eat from every tree but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
He was told the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God formed every beast, and fowl out of the ground.
God brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.
Adam named every living creature. God said it was not good that man be alone. Genesis 2:18
So God took a rib from Adams side and made a woman.
He did not use Adams hair for her to be over him.
He did not use skin from the bottom of Adams feet for him to trample over her.
He use a rib from his side to be along side of man, a help meet.
(A side note: My help meet and I celebrated our 50th anniversary June 3)

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

How? You are saying you believe the earth was created billions of years ago and was without form and void.Does that mean there were no dino's? Wrong.Genesis 2:2 and 2:3 did not happen in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.Genesis 2:4-4:26 did take place in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth. This verse says: These are the generations=things that happened during a certain period.
That certain period was the day the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
Everything following up to Genesis 4:26 happened the same day.If you want to find out the generations of what happened in Genesis 1:2-2:4 you go to: This book of generations matches the man that was created in Genesis 1:26 Remember this is taking what is written literaly.Not what we have been told it says.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Genesis 1:2 comes after Genesis 4:26. Genesis 5 has nothing to do with what took place in the day the Lord God created the heaven and the earth.Genesis 1:2-2:3 goes with the generations of Genesis 5:1.There is a creation story in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Complete job everything in the universe spoke into existence.As pointed out in Genesis 2:4 there was a series of events that took place the same day as the heaven and earth was created.Those things are listed in Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26.At a later date billions of years later in time as you and I know it but as far as that period was concerned it was still the same day as there had been no night yet.Genesis 1:2 takes place.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Archer, Why do I need to give a timeline or sequence of events?The literal text does not give one.
If you are asking at what point in the day each event took place I do not have a clue.I have been told on this forum many times that the Bible is not a book of science.If you are asking how many years of time as we know it passed during this day, I do not have a clue. I have a guess but you would not like it.I will gladly defer to the scientist to ponder those things and come up with the answers. I will get to tectonic activity at a later date but for now I want to concentrate on getting the literal account that is recorded in the verses addressed so far. There are verses that deal with this subject. The literal text does not address these things. It states that the things mentioned in Genesis 2:4-4:26 took place in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.I again will defer to the scientist to dig in the earth and try to answer these questions.None of the events or chronology you mentioned has any bearing on the things in the literal text of Genesis 1:1, Genesis 2:4-4:26.I have been told on this forum that the Bible account of creation is a lie, a myth, a fabricated story, and a group of myths.
I have been told the universe was 6-10k years old.
I have read some outlandish explanations of the Genesis account of creation trying to make it fit the scientific account.My attempt here is to examine what the text says and determine if it says something different from science, not propose a scientific account of creation.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

My hypothesis is built on the fact that Genesis states certain thing happened. It does not address cosmological and geological events.I am not trying to prove creation. I am just trying to determine what the literal words in the text says.Science can prove all the things you are talking about. Point out one thing in my chronology that does not agree with scientific fact. YEC's are not the only one that read the chronology wrong.
I am not sure they get the 7 days of Moses as I call them that is the events recorded in Genesis 1:2-Genesis 2:3 wrong. I will discuss that later.At the moment I would like to determine if the events in Genesis 1:1 and the events recorded in Genesis 2:4-4:26 occur in the same day.
Using only the words of the KJV Bible.Would you read the verses referred to and give me your opinion.
Does the verses claim that everything happened the same day? You are trying to make this a scientific debate.
It is not.
This is an effort to see what the Genesis account of the creation in the KJV taken literally says.You can ask for things that are not recorded in the Genesis account of creation all you want I will give you nothing that is not recorded.If I did you would say ah ha now you are saying the Bible is a science book. I will make no such claim.I will let science produce facts.
I will let the Bible say what it says.
If they agree then great.
If scientific facts and the Bible disagree then there is a problem.I know from our prior conversations that you have many other things to point out that the Bible is wrong about.But for now indulge me and lets examine the verses referenced in Genesis as to what they say. But there are many things to ponder. Like where did the singularity come from and why? Where life came from and why?Then there are many facts, and I think The literal Genesis account of creation will agree will all the known facts and many facts that are yet unknown.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Finally someone who read the op.This is exactly what I am trying to determine.The first list of things I think took place billions of years ago, all in the same day. Which day could have lasted billions of years in time as we know it. But night had not been made yet so it was just one big long day.I know that don't make sense but that is what it implies by saying all those things happened in the day the Lord God made the heaven and the earth.Why do I say billions of years? Because science says it took place billions of years ago. I have no other reference.The second list of things took place at a much later date.But Archer keeps wanting me to give a list of scientific things that took place. I keep telling him I will leave that to the scientist.Having a great day talking about my favorite subject.
Fundies and YEC's won't even talk to me about it.
They tell me I have gone off the deep end.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I went back and reread my op and I didn't find one of the things you mentioned that was out of place in my first list of things.You are confusing my list with someone else's. Or at least I hope that is what you are doing, which could be an honest mistake.If you want to give your opinion read the op and then point out one thing that disagrees with scientific fact.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I am not trying to convince you of my theory. You are entitled to believe anything you want. Do you have a theory and if so what is it? Start a thread and we will discuss it. Answer this:
Does Genesis 2:4 state the generations described took place the same day as Genesis 1:1?
Does Gensis 5:1 state those generations cover the things in Genesis 1:26? At 67 I don't think boy cuts it maybe senile.
Message 11
Did I misunderstand what you realized.
When you said I realize that Genesis 1:2 was billions of years after Genesis 1:1.Verse 1 says created.
Verse 2 says without form and void.
If there are billions of years in-between I would draw from that the earth was without form and void for billions of years.Would you like to clarify.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Message 1
Which point are you saying does not agree with scientific fact? Sorry I missed that one in Message 21How so if in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Is the sun in another galaxy or something?Besides Genesis 2:4 calls it a day. Would you like to interpret what Genesis 2:4 says.I am not trying to interpret anything. I am just trying to examine what the KJV says. Not what everybody says it says, because everybody has an opinion, that suites their personal belief system

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

How can Genesis 5:1 overlap chapter 4?Genesis 5:1 specifically states:

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" This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;"

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If chapter 5 starts telling the generations of the man created in Genesis 1:26 that was created in the image and likeness of God it cannot be talking about the man formed from the dust of the earth in Genesis 2:7, because this man is included in the generations that was in the day the Lord God created the heaven and the earth. You assumed wrong. If you read the op and my other posts you would know that I say that there were billions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.I would think some kind of extinction event had to take place for the earth to be in the condition we find it in, in Genesis 1:2.
Unless you have a better idea.Science tells us there were many extinction events in the past billions of years.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Where do you get that the sun did not exist from?The only place I can think of is Genesis 1:16 where God made 2 lights a greater light and a lesser light. It doesn't say He created them, just that He made them.An event like the following might cause some problems with their visibility though.Chicxulub crater - Wikipedia Does Science say we had land animals before food for them?
Seems like I read a lot about the animals on the ark could not survive on earth with no food, on this forum.As far as sea creatures, or any water creatures they are not mentioned in the verses I am examining.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."