The Literal Genesis Account of Creation

Literally?Nonsense.It certainly is NOT a literal interpretation. The literal reading is that there is not one Creation story in Genesis but rather several totally unrelated and mutually exclusive tales.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Sure. The older Creation myth found beginning about Genesis 2:5 IIRC is actually a combination of several different, likely oral, stories. That means that there are the myths combined in the part starting around Genesis 2:5 and the much younger Creation Myth found in Genesis 1.None of them though are accounts of creation. The are all poetic and allegorical tales addressing the Relationships (and also dealing with some "Just So" type issues).AbE: Nope. There is no evidence that there were two Creations.Edited by jar, : add the response to make it clear I was NOT supporting two creations

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Several stories. None correct. All mythology.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

First, the stories found beginning around Genesis 2:4 are far far older than the much more recent story found in Genesis 1. They are also from two entirely different eras and cultures.They are NOT related or sequential.They are two different tales from two (actually the earlier stories found beginning in Gen 2 are likely compilations of several traditions) different cultures both talking about one creation.There is simply no connection between the two collections.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But that doesn't imply two creations. It's still simply one creation with multiple inaccurate and incorrect tales.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There was only one Creation period. The only Re-Creation is called Evolution. It is how you and the other Great Apes evolved from something not quite Ape yet.The myth in Genesis 1 and the myth in Genesis 2 and later are both trying to explain the same creation. They simply have the facts wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Science says we don't know yet and it may be impossible to say for sure.Simply asserting "Goddidt" as an answer says nothing, it is a meaningless statement.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No! So why do you continue to try to turn it into one?The creations myths in the Bible ARE not accurate. They are just plain wrong. All of them.Stop trying to shoehorn them together or into science.They are factually incorrect.Get over it.That is NOT the purpose of them anyway.You have absolutely no idea what Christianity or Judaism are all about, do you?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The different Genesis Creation Myths are still false.Genesis 1 in fact is particularly wrong. No matter what games folk play with the words, Genesis 1 is still not related in any way to what actually happened.For example is Genesis 1:1 is true then Genesis 1:3-5 are false. If they are true then Genesis 1 is false.The factual errors continue right straight through Genesis 1.There is simply no possible way to make Genesis 1 factually correct.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Nonsense.The order in Genesis 1 is simply false.The Creation Myth in Genesis 1 is simply false.The whole story is simply impossible.Earth is created in verse one.Sun is created in verse 16.Genesis 1 is totally refuted factually and so is false.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Theology by the "If I can make up any conceivable way around the contradictions they don't count school of apologetics."Sorry, I don't play those games.Even if you play games with those words they don't help get past all the other false statements in Genesis 1. If what you claim is true, then the verse before that are false. No sun, no vegetation, no fruit.Genesis 1 is simply factually false.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Total nonsense. Again, without the sun there is no life.Second, the first life forms were not even plants and certainly not on land.Third, seed bearing plants were certainly not the original plants, nor were fruits.Fourth, the concept of "Kind" is simply more mental masturbation, undefined theobabble. That's okay. I will certainly criticize your perversion of Christianity, fostering total falsehoods, making a mockery of the Bible.It is nonsense attempts like this that are so obviously false and silly that drive folk away from the faith when they realize that those they looked to for honesty were simply peddling nonsense. Of course the Bible is often contradictory, from beginning to end. There is not even something identifiable as "The Bible" but rather many different Canons.The creation myths have value, but to pretend that they are factually correct is to totally lose sight of the purpose of the Bible.The tales in Genesis are very important. In poetic and allegorical language they speak to us about relationships. The younger tale found in Genesis 1 we see a transcendent God, but one that is aloof, separate from what is Created. It also explains the week, and why we take one day off.The older tale that begins midway through Genesis 2:4 presents a totally different God, a personal God, somewhat bumbling and a tinkerer, but approachable. It is a "Just So Story" explaining why we fear snakes, why childbirth for humans seems more difficult than for the other animals, why we have to work for a living instead of simply foraging.But these are tales of relationships, God's relationship with Man, Man's relationship with God, and man's relationship with his fellow man and the world we live in. Trying to force fit them into into some factual context is to begin the very journey with a wrong turn, to miss the whole point of what is being said.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Excuse me? I am but circling? Limited reasoning? Inscrutable scholastics? Functional process?The topic is "The Literal Genesis Account of Creation " and the topic originator has several times said that he is basing his position on the 1611 edition of the KJV.The facts are, as I have tried to point out, even just the Creation myth found in Genesis 1 cannot be factually true. Please try to address the issues raised in Message 224.The facts are simply wrong. The first plants were not seed bearing plants.The first plants were not fruit.KIND has no meaning and is simply theobabble.The first plants were NOT on land.The first life was not even plant or animal.You cannot have the sun and stars created at the same time.The Moon has no light.The list simply goes on and one.The Creation Myth found in Genesis 1 is simply factually wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course there will be no life in heaven, when by life we are talking about the same life as we see in Genesis. More theological masturbation.The facts are that the Creation myth found in Genesis 1 is simply wrong.Let's look at the rest of what I posted in Message 224. Your talk of heaven is just more of your dancing away from dealing with the Bible and what it literally says.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

jar posted: and ICANT replied

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jar will you agree that there are 2 myths according to jar in Genesis chapter 1 through Genesis chapter 4?

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One of those myths starting at Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3.

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The other beginning at Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:26.

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What does that have to do with the post you are replying to or the fact that the story in Genesis 1 is literally wrong, false.The younger creation myth actually starts at Genesis 1:1 and runs through the middle of 2:4.The older creation myth begins at the middle of Genesis 2:4 and runs through Genesis 2:20.The older myth, found in Genesis 2 actually seems to be composed of two or more oral traditions.The two tales are mutually exclusive, contradict each other, and even when considered separately, are factually wrong.They are simply two different traditions trying to explain relationships. As I pointed out most recently in Message 224:"The tales in Genesis are very important. In poetic and allegorical language they speak to us about relationships. The younger tale found in Genesis 1 we see a transcendent God, but one that is aloof, separate from what is Created. It also explains the week, and why we take one day off.The older tale that begins midway through Genesis 2:4 presents a totally different God, a personal God, somewhat bumbling and a tinkerer, but approachable. It is a "Just So Story" explaining why we fear snakes, why childbirth for humans seems more difficult than for the other animals, why we have to work for a living instead of simply foraging.But these are tales of relationships, God's relationship with Man, Man's relationship with God, and man's relationship with his fellow man and the world we live in. Trying to force fit them into into some factual context is to begin the very journey with a wrong turn, to miss the whole point of what is being said."The Creation is simply a plot device, a method to allow the authors of those tales to talk about what is important, the Relationships.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion