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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Hasn't that story always struck you as monstrously implausible? I mean, the Jews get to see the plague of blood, the plague of frogs, the plague of lice, the plague of flies, the plague of livestock, the plague of boils, the plague of hail, the plague of locusts, the plague of darkness, the death of the firstborn, the parting of the Red Sea, the rain of manna, the miracle of Horeb, the pillar of smoke by day and fire by night ... and they remain profoundly unimpressed. Yahweh, they think, is not so much, and they needn't worry about pissing him off by making their own god and worshiping that.
Meanwhile, today, when God never shows up (and you get all offended if someone suggests he might think to put in an appearance once in a while) this same god has 2.2 billion worshipers based just on something they read in a book. Which is rather less impressive. And you suggest that the Jews "forgot all the things God did for them"? Two million of them? Damn, if only they'd had diaries back then, then at least one of them could have made a note of it: "Memo to self: don't piss Yahweh off. THIS IS IMPORTANT". Now, accepting for the sake of argument the magical elements of the Exodus story, does the behavior of the Jews sound remotely like anything anyone would ever actually do? It's more implausible than the miracles themselves. As G. K. Chesterton wrote:
It really is more natural to believe a preternatural story, that deals with things we don’t understand, than a natural story that contradicts things we do understand. Tell me that the great Mr Gladstone, in his last hours, was haunted by the ghost of Parnell, and I will be agnostic about it. But tell me that Mr Gladstone, when first presented to Queen Victoria, wore his hat in her drawing-room and slapped her on the back and offered her a cigar, and I am not agnostic at all. That is not impossible; it’s only incredible. But I’m much more certain it didn’t happen than that Parnell’s ghost didn’t appear; because it violates the laws of the world I do understand. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
And why not hang around? At least stay for a coffee. Actually, I had a small gathering at my house over the holiday weekend. God PM'ed me saying he would stop by. But, you know what? He never made it. Really made me mad. Not only did it screw up my seating assignments, but also because he was supposed to have brought the cold cuts.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
He probably didn't show because he couldn't find any good cold cuts without pork in them.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
He probably didn't show because he couldn't find any good cold cuts without pork in them. Possibly. But I think the real reason is because God knows I invited the Hendersons. And Mr. Henderson, with his one lazy eye, is an affront that is particularly upsetting to God's perfect nature.
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Practical Prodigy Junior Member (Idle past 5042 days) Posts: 30 From: IN, USA Joined: |
I have not the faintest idea what all that incoherent off-topic drivel is supposed to mean but you get an A for effort
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4970 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
I have not the faintest idea what all that incoherent off-topic drivel is supposed to mean but you get an A for effort That's the first "A" I've ever got! No, really, it is. I was just pulling your wotsit because your Chimp in Pink is a lot cooler and tougher than my Chimp in Pink and I'm jealous.
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tomato Member (Idle past 4331 days) Posts: 39 Joined: |
Dronester, maybe God was present at your house in the spiritual sense.
The Jehovah's Witnesses expected Jesus and the 11 disciples (12 minus Judas) to return in 1914.They were so sure of this that they bought a lot and built a house for their newcomers. They tried to register the house in Jesus's name at the clerk's office, but the clerk wouldn't accept that. The 1914 came and passed, alas, with no sign of Jesus and his worthy followers. So the JW's auctioned off the property. Then they said that Jesus returned in 1914 in the spiritual sense, and that Satan reacted to his appearance by starting World War I.
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tomato Member (Idle past 4331 days) Posts: 39 Joined: |
I can name two religious groups which purport to answer your question.
If I understand correctly, the Urantia cult claims that God has his throne in the center of the Universe, on the Isle of Paradise: Master Universe - Horizontal According to the Mormons, God lives on a planet called Kolob with thousands of wives.You and I and everyone else in this world lived a previous life in this world, where we could see God with our own eyes. We chose to come to this world, realizing that it is in the interest of our spiritual growth. Here, our faith in God is tested, since we cannot see God here. If you live a good Mormon life, tithe regularly to the Mormon church, and get married in a Mormon temple, you may someday get equipped with your own two worlds, just like the God which which we live under. Lost in Space Mormon Doctrine « Book of MormonismsForbidden |
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
...I have a god trapped in my closet!
Why do you refuse to believe in him? FEAR HIS UNDETECTABLE WRATH!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
...I have a god trapped in my closet! Why do you refuse to believe in him? FEAR HIS UNDETECTABLE WRATH! I believe you, Rahvin, I truly do. But, as to this undetectable wrath stuff, I think you drastically underestimate the timidity of these things. Please see Message 58.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Message 568639 says it, I believe it, and that settles it!!!
Surely no one can argue against it now that it is written down.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OP writes: Where are all the gods? The only god that Cleveland ever had left for Miami.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't know who you mean. The gods I was refering to are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Maybe I'm too subtle for EvC. OP writes:
The only god that Cleveland ever had left for Miami. Where are all the gods? "If there's a rock and roll heaven, you know they've got a hell of a band." I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I'm back where I started.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
He was referring how Lebron stiffed Cleveland to go to the Miami Heat.
I tend to agree with you, the gods are still in Cleveland. I think some of us did get the subtle reference.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I don't know who you mean. The gods I was refering to are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Maybe I'm too subtle for EvC. It just goes to show what people think of as gods. I also caught the Rock & Roll aspect but would in no way assume Lebron James was what you were referring to. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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