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Lindum
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From: Colonia Lindensium
Joined: 02-29-2004


Message 653 of 739 (128180)
07-27-2004 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 650 by Cold Foreign Object
07-27-2004 4:41 PM


Re: LLM
WT writes:
Why does the heading above each set of figures say "Latitude" ?
Meridian is "Longitude" - no ?
Correct. Draw a line around the globe along a meridian and the longitude must remain constant. The various points along this line will have different latitudes.
WT writes:
I went back to Lindum's original post ( # 305) and he said/admitted that it is his claim vs Smyth - how do we determine who is correct ?
It’s not me vs Smyth, but rather me vs Smyth vs anyone who cares to examine the claim. How do you determine who is correct? Weigh the evidence? So far, Smyth’s only evidence is a map showing the approximate location of Egypt.
WT writes:
Then Lindum asks if Smyth supplies any "data" for this claim, presumably to mean data like his. The answer is no.
Sadly, this means Smyth’s claim is without evidence — a baseless assertion.
WT writes:
Way back in Re: REGARDING EVIDENCE (Message 451) I initiated falsification of Smyth's claim but nobody paid attention.
The site referenced simply restates Smyth’s assertions, and presents no evidence to support them.
WT writes:
The reason I did this was to demonstrate the value of a map showing
ones claim.
Take a look at the Smyth map on it’s own. What can you deduce from it? It shows the approximate location of something. Anything else? Take a look at any other point on that map and tell me what you can infer from it, and show how it constitutes evidence for you conclusion. Maps convey spatial information. They do not provide evidence concerning specific locations. Underlying data behind the map must be available to corroborate what the map is claimed to indicate.
WT writes:
Post 451 contains two links. The top link disagrees with Smyth and the bottom defends Smyth.
The top link, self admittedly is not definitive, but it does make a claim against Smyth.
The bottom link references all the continental land that Smyth's meridian passes through.
See above x2. Referencing the continental land through which Smyth’s meridian passes is all well and nice, but it doesn’t show the distances involved, which is the critical and necessary evidence required.
WT writes:
Lets not circulate about LLM - which source is correct - Lindum or Smyth ? What is your preponderance for Lindum ?
I’ve provided evidence that Smyth was wrong. Smyth has provided you with no evidence to counter this. My methodology, results and conclusion are there in black and white. There is enough information for anyone, so inclined, to repeat the measurements.
WT writes:
300+ miles to the west is not definitively the LLM.
No, but it is longer than the meridian of the Great Pyramid, which is all that is required to refute the claim.
WT writes:
Smyth's CLAIM is the GP resides in the center of land area and his map clearly evidences his claim.
See above regarding maps being evidence.
WT writes:
Smyth claims CENTER and by every map of the world the GP is in the center WHILE quartering the land surface approximately equidistantly.
Equidistantly? I suspect this is just a minor semantic error, if not then please elaborate. If you mean equal land area in addition to the LLM, then does subjectively eyeballing a map constitute evidence, or did Smyth supply evidentiary data to support this claim?

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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3426 days)
Posts: 162
From: Colonia Lindensium
Joined: 02-29-2004


Message 667 of 739 (128767)
07-29-2004 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 665 by Cold Foreign Object
07-29-2004 7:51 PM


Re: Courtesy Notice
In addition to WT's daily and social activities, it should be noted that s/he has also engaged in a formal debate regarding the pyramid claims in another forum. Thus, a little patience may be required for those (including myself) awaiting replies here.

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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3426 days)
Posts: 162
From: Colonia Lindensium
Joined: 02-29-2004


Message 685 of 739 (129172)
07-31-2004 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 684 by Cold Foreign Object
07-31-2004 5:51 PM


Re: LLM
WT writes:
The claim is center of world's land area - your constant refusal to acknowledge this basic and generic fact gives the appearance that the claim doesn't exist.
Where do you get this idea? The claim I’m dealing with is the longest land meridian as first mentioned by yourself way, way back in post 72. You’ve repeated it in your Rutherford quote. I’m looking at these claims one by one, but you have so far failed to deal with the meridian issue.
WT writes:
The Smyth coords AND the map clearly evidence the claim.
Sigh Can you show me which part of the map shows how long the meridian actually is? If you like I can draw some maps with random meridians marked and claim they are the longest — they would constitute as much evidence as Smyth’s, ie. none.
WT writes:
You have your view of how this claim should be evidenced. You assert your data refutes Smyth - fine.
How does anyone verify this without having to take your word on it ?
Because they CAN verify it. I have provided enough information for anyone to check my figures. Smyth hasn’t even supplied a total length for the meridian.
WT writes:
Can you provide evidence and source that supports you ?
I already have. Are you now pretending this evidence is not there? The very same thing you often accuse others of?
WT writes:
No you cannot. It is your subjective opinion vs Smyth.
Correction, it is my repeatable, evidenced claim derived from professional mapping software using NASA data, presented with methodology vs Smyth’s unevidenced bare assertion.
WT writes:
How curious that nobody thought like you to refute Smyth ?
What, you mean to get off my backside and actually check it for myself, rather than rely on google? Well I’m guessing most posters don’t use GIS where they work, although Ned did supply similar data from a less specialized mapping product.
snip William Petrie found that there is more earth and less sea in the Great Pyramids meridian than in any other meridian on the earth. snip
Demonstrably not the case. Yet another site repeating the claim with no evidence to support it. Not even a total length.
The LLM claim remains refuted.

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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3426 days)
Posts: 162
From: Colonia Lindensium
Joined: 02-29-2004


Message 709 of 739 (129414)
08-01-2004 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Cold Foreign Object
07-31-2004 8:02 PM


Re: LLM
WT writes:
This claim completely avoids the content of the post you responded to.
Please correct me if I missed it, but the post I responded to contained no evidence supporting Smyth’s LLM claim. As Ned has already mentioned, I have not yet addressed the land area claim, nor is it my intention to do so at this time.
WT writes:
The moment I offer a claim without corroborating source it is dismissed as unsupported assertion.
Correct. You’ve offered no source able to quantify Smyth’s claim, only sources which repeat the same bare assertion. You need to supply a source with some numbers to support it. You wouldn’t accept a drawing of the pyramid with an attached claim of its height being x as being evidence now would you? This is no different from what we have with Smyth’s LLM map and claim.
WT writes:
When opponent does it - it is given an exemption to the evidence and source standard.
I have given you the evidence and I am the source — I wasn’t aware that sources must explicitly be third party. Ned gave you similar data to my own in post 144 and pink sasquatch gave a link in post 377: No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.catchpenny.org/pyramid.html which shows two additional meridians longer than Smyth’s. These were posted several weeks ago, have you reviewed them?
According to your sources, what is the length of the land meridian through the Great Pyramid?

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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3426 days)
Posts: 162
From: Colonia Lindensium
Joined: 02-29-2004


Message 738 of 739 (130629)
08-05-2004 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 736 by NosyNed
08-05-2004 1:39 AM


Re: Closing time soon? suggestion
I suggest we could deal with it in two threads, ie:
1. Dimensional claims
2. Geographical claims
and branch off new threads from these if required. What does WT think to this?

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