PROOF OF GOD

Perhaps you would start by explaining some of the details of your Biblical interpretation.Isaiah 19:19 refers to an altar in the midst of Egypt and a pillar at the border. Why do you say that these refer to the same thing ?The Great Pyramid is neither an altar (especially given Exodus 20:25) nor a pillar. Why do you say that either object is the Great Pyramid ?Isaiah 19 refers to the future of Egypt from the perspective of Isaiah's time. Why do you assume that the altar and the pillar which will be present "in that day" are the Great Pyramid which already existed centuries before Isaiah ? Surely the implication of Isaiah is that they are not present at the time of writing.
Isaiah 19:18 states: Why is it unreasonable to conclude that it is the people of these five cities who will set up the altar of Isaiah 19:19 ?This message has been edited by PaulK, 05-11-2004 08:45 AM

Isaiah specifies an altar to the Lord. Exodus 20:25 - which specifies a rule on how to build an altar to the Lord is relevant."If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it."Obviously you did not read the relevant verse.And if the Great Pyramid is a monument then it is surely a monument to Khufu, the Pharoah.Oh and you still have to explain why the verse should not be read as talking about an altar in the midst of Egypt and an entirely seperate pillar on the border. Your answer simply assuems that the altar and the pillar are the same thing, begging the question.I note that you can offer no reason to assume that Isaiah was not talking about an altar that would be built in the future - by the inhabitants of the cities he mentioned in the immediately preceding verse, who would have every reason to build such an altar.The repeated "in that day" of Isaiah 19 indicates that the cities and the altar and pillar will be contemporary, when Judah terrifies Egypt into worship of the Jewish God (Isaiah 19:17). Since at that time the Egyptians will sacrifice to God (Isaiah 19:21) it seems most likely that Isaiah was referring to an actual altar built and used according to Jewish practices.So we really don't have a good reason to link Isaiah 19:19 with the Great Pyramid at all. Even the argument based on location relies on the assumption that the altar and the pillar are the same thing - and even that is not a strong link.So that is one point where the evidence seems to be very much lacking.The next questions are:1) why should we use that particular stellar alignment for the start date ?2) where does the "sacred inch" come from and why should we use that for a year ?3) Why should position 5 be assumed to correspond to the Exodus ?4) Why not continue measuring down the descending passage to get the date corresponding to the well-shaft ?

It certainly isn't clear that it refers to the same object or that the Great Pyramid can be described as "an "altar to the LORD" as Isaiah 19:19 has it.So reasons to disagree:
1) it is not clear that the altar and the pillar are the same thing at all.
2) even if it were accepted that the altar and the pillar were the same thing and it were accepted as identifying the area of Giza that is far from conclusive evidence that the Great Pyramid is meant given that other monuments are in the same area (such as the Sphinx) and more could built
3) There is nothing to identify the Great Pyramid as an "altar to the LORD" and the use of cut stones to build it would disqualify it under the rule of Exodus 20:25
4) Isaiah does not identify the altar as any existing structure - it wil exist in "that day" whch suggests it has yet to be built.
5) given that in Isaiah 19:18 5 Egyptian cities are supposed to convert to Judaism it is likely that they would set up an altar to the Lord - which they will need for the sacrifices referred to in Isaiah 19:21There is really nothing solid suggesting that it refers to the Great Pyramid at all.Egypt has a history of pyramid building - the Great Pyramid is neither the first, nor the last. Pyramids developed from the earlier Mastaba tombs - and they too, were tombs.And now we know that the "sacred inch" is an arbitrary unit - why would the Egyptian builders have used a unit they could not calculate ? ANd so we cannot use it to ecode" the Pyramid. YOu could simply adjust the unit and assign the "Exodus" to any other date you liked - or make it refer to some other event.I note also that there is no real link between the chosen point and the Exodus. nor any reason for choosing to measure along the upper passage rather than the lower.On this basis it seems clear that the emasurements are worthless and the whole thing rests on arbitrary decisions designed to give the desired result.No proof of God here.

"Defies all the evidence" ? There's been a lot of speculation but VERY little evidence provided.Explain why the "Sacred inch" and the choice of the Exodus are NOT arbitrary. There's been no EVIDENCE provided that addresses either question. Speculations are NOT evidence.And I've already enumerated reasons to doubt the claimed connection with Isaiah 19:19.Now your claim that the speculations you offer are "incontrovertible proof of God" - THAT defies the evidence of this thread.

In the absence of an adequate reply to message 32 or support for the new assertions you have made I regard the issue as closed. THe evidence does not support your claims.

No. Simply ignoring the points I raised is not an adequate answer.You HAVE been shown why the evidence did not support you, in post 32.Trying to pretend otherwise without answering my points reveals that you have no case.

Post 32 and your replies.But then you know that.

It addresses none of the comments on Isaiah.It does not offer any objective grounds for setting the length of the Pyramid inch or the start or end points. Without such grounds they are arbitrary and no amount of denial will change that.

I don't see much point. It would make more sense to point out to the admins that Willowtree is violating forum guidelines by refusing to support his assertions.

The only reason I won't call you a liar, despite the manifest falsehood of your claims is the evidence of your delusional state.Sad to say, to anyone in the real world "some crank says so" is not "irrefutable proof" - or even evidence.

Let me simply point out - again - that all this is because Willowtree cannot produce evidence.Willowtree is dismissing my points without argument or evidence.There is no truth in what he says. And I hope that he seeks psychiatric help soon because he is obviously incapable of dealing with reality.