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wmscott Member (Idle past 6277 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: |
Dear Willowtree;
In e-mail you asked for my proof that the great Pyramid is not of divine origin or significance, so here it is. The scripture cited to support the Great Pyramid as being an altar to Jehovah God is, (Isaiah 19:19) "In that day there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Jehovah beside its boundary." which can not be a reference to the Great Pyramid for a very simple reason. (Exodus 20:25) "if you should make an altar of stones for me, you must not build them as hewn stones. In the event that you do wield your chisel upon it, then you will profane it." (Deuteronomy 27:5-6) (Joshua 8:30-31) (Judges 6:26) (1 Kings 18:30-32) So there is no way the great Pyramid with it's many cut stones would be acceptable to God, it would be profane. Foreigners were not allowed to share in building the temple or even the wall of Jerusalem because as non worshipers of Jehovah, they have no share in true worship. (Ezra 4:3) "and the rest of the heads of the paternal houses of Israel said to them: "YOU have nothing to do with us in building a house to our God, for we ourselves shall together build to Jehovah the God of Israel," (Nehemiah 2:20) "we must build; but YOU yourselves have no share, nor just claim, nor memorial in Jerusalem." So scripturally there is no way Egyptians could have built an acceptable altar to Jehovah. Also Isaiah 19:19 is written in symbolic language and is not describing an actual altar, this symbolic altar is stated to be a pillar. A pillar is a tall narrow cylinder, not a pyramid. The Egypt described here is not literal Egypt, it refers to the world alienated from God. (Revelation 11:8) "the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt," and the pillar (1 Timothy 3:15) "is the congregation of [the] living God, a pillar and support of the truth." (Revelation 3:12) So what Isaiah 19:19 is saying that there will be true worshipers of Jehovah standing firm in the middle of a world that is in spiritual sense like Egypt and yet they will be on the border of that land because they are soon to enter God's promises. So no reference here to the Great Pyramid or any other. Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson
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wmscott Member (Idle past 6277 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: |
Dear Willowtree;
Charles Taze Russell has been dead a long time, he certainly made his mistakes and in 1928 the whole Pyramid nonsense was jettisoned by the International Bible Students Association which later changed it's name to Jehovah's Witnesses. There is still a old group that broke way before 1928, the Bible Students I think they are called, who still believe in the Pyramid stuff. They also view Russel as inspired which would make that web page you linked to, a real problem for them. As for us, Russel was just a man, sad to think he may have been so caught up in Pyramidology that he resorted to deception to support it, but then that seems to be a key part of Pyramidology. Fittingly there is a small pyramid over Russell's grave as a tombstone. But that is old history. I looked over this long thread and found the posts you referred to on Isaiah 19:19, Paulk made a good case and you failed to really answer him other than call him names. You never answered his five points that he raised. I will post two of his points that I would like you to answer. quote:To Paulk's points I will add my own from my post. quote:My first point is the same as one of Paulk's that you didn't answer, if you did somewhere cut and paste it in your response because I can't find it. The second two don't seemed to have been raised yet, but there may have been some talk on three. So far it seems you have been trying to get around the first point on Exodus 20:25 by saying that it is a different sort of altar mentioned at Isaiah 19:19 which doesn't work since they both use the same word in simular contexts. This is really a very cut and dried point, Exodus 20:25 clearly prohibits use of cut stones probably to keep Jehovah God's altars distinct from altars to false gods. You have no scriptural support, I have seen your argument on Job and it is just a silly numerology exercise that someone else has already called you on and you haven't answered him on it yet ether. Do you know what numerology is? I would suggest you look it up and see the relevance to pyramidology. Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson
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wmscott Member (Idle past 6277 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: |
Dear Willowtree;
quote:So you are assuming that if an altar was built not for sacrifice but as a sign, the prohibition against using cut stones would not apply. There is only one case in the Bible where an altar was constructed as a sign. (Joshua 22:26-28) But in this case the altar was still made of uncut stones. The command at (Exodus 20:25) "In the event that you do wield your chisel upon it, then you will it." is very clear, use of cut stones was "profane" which would desecrate or make the altar unfit for worship of any type. There is no loop hole in the divine command at Exodus 20:25, all altars of cut stones were profane. In the Bible various memorials or pillars were built to commemorate various events or people, all of those that had divine approval were also built of uncut stones as well and they are never referred to as altars. (Genesis 28:18) "So Jacob got up early in the morning and took the stone that was there as his head supporter and he set it up as a pillar and poured oil on the top of it." (Genesis 31:44-46) "And now, come, let us conclude a covenant, I and you, and it must serve as a witness between me and you." Accordingly Jacob took a stone and set it up as a pillar. Then Jacob said to his brothers: "Pick up stones!" And they went taking stones and making a heap." (Joshua 4:20-24) "As for the twelve stones that they had taken out of the Jordan, Joshua set these up at Gilgal. And he went on to say to the sons of Israel: "When YOUR sons ask their fathers in time to come, saying, 'What do these stones mean?' YOU must then let YOUR sons know, saying," These memorial pillars were piles of uncut stones, in no case were the stones for memorial pillars cut, that was the way they were made. So the great pyramid as any kind of altar or even as just a memorial pillar, would still be profane and not acceptable to God. quote:I see that others are already pursuing this argument so I will let them show you the gaping holes in it. There are no hidden numerical codes hidden in the Bible, the meaning is in the words, words that most people seem to be unable grasp or unwilling to, so they invent systems of finding other meanings that mean what they want rather than what God wants. quote:From the little bit that I have read on this in your posts to other people your description matches well with church doctrines but appears to conflict with what the Bible teaches. You failed to address my other points and unsuccessfully dealt with my first point, so I will repost them and you can give it another try. quote:In the scriptures, Jehovah's altars and memorial pillars are never built or to be built using cut stones. The only things built with cut stones used in Jehovah's service was the temple buildings. But since Isaiah 19:19 makes no mention of a temple and any altars or memorial pillars built with cut stones would be profane, there can not be a reference to the Great Pyramid in this verse. Sincerely yours; Wm Scott Anderson
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wmscott Member (Idle past 6277 days) Posts: 580 From: Sussex, WI USA Joined: |
Dear Willowtree;
I am still waiting for an answer to my earlier post, unless you can answer the problems I raised, your Great Pyramid argument has no scriptural support and is just a ridiculous math exercise that means nothing.
quote:So you are assuming that if an altar was built not for sacrifice but as a sign, the prohibition against using cut stones would not apply. There is only one case in the Bible where an altar was constructed as a sign. (Joshua 22:26-28) But in this case the altar was still made of uncut stones. The command at (Exodus 20:25) "In the event that you do wield your chisel upon it, then you will profane it." is very clear, use of cut stones was "profane" which would desecrate or make the altar unfit for worship of any type. There is no loop hole in the divine command at Exodus 20:25, all altars of cut stones were profane. In the Bible various memorials or pillars were built to commemorate various events or people, all of those that had divine approval were also built of uncut stones as well and they are never referred to as altars. (Genesis 28:18) "So Jacob got up early in the morning and took the stone that was there as his head supporter and he set it up as a pillar and poured oil on the top of it." (Genesis 31:44-46) "And now, come, let us conclude a covenant, I and you, and it must serve as a witness between me and you." Accordingly Jacob took a stone and set it up as a pillar. Then Jacob said to his brothers: "Pick up stones!" And they went taking stones and making a heap." (Joshua 4:20-24) "As for the twelve stones that they had taken out of the Jordan, Joshua set these up at Gilgal. And he went on to say to the sons of Israel: "When YOUR sons ask their fathers in time to come, saying, 'What do these stones mean?' YOU must then let YOUR sons know, saying," These memorial pillars were piles of uncut stones, in no case were the stones for memorial pillars cut, that was the way they were made. So the great pyramid as any kind of altar or even as just a memorial pillar, would still be profane and not acceptable to God. quote:I see that others are already pursuing this argument so I will let them show you the gaping holes in it. There are no hidden numerical codes hidden in the Bible, the meaning is in the words, words that most people seem to be unable grasp or unwilling to, so they invent systems of finding other meanings that mean what they want rather than what God wants. quote:From the little bit that I have read on this in your posts to other people your description matches well with church doctrines but appears to conflict with what the Bible teaches. The scripture cited to support the Great Pyramid as being an altar to Jehovah God is, (Isaiah 19:19) "In that day there will prove to be an altar to Jehovah in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to Jehovah beside its boundary." which can not be a reference to the Great Pyramid for a very simple reason. (Exodus 20:25) "if you should make an altar of stones for me, you must not build them as hewn stones. In the event that you do wield your chisel upon it, then you will profane it." (Deuteronomy 27:5-6) (Joshua 8:30-31) (Judges 6:26) (1 Kings 18:30-32) So there is no way the great Pyramid with it's many cut stones would be acceptable to God, it would be profane. Foreigners were not allowed to share in building the temple or even the wall of Jerusalem because as non worshipers of Jehovah, they have no share in true worship. (Ezra 4:3) "and the rest of the heads of the paternal houses of Israel said to them: "YOU have nothing to do with us in building a house to our God, for we ourselves shall together build to Jehovah the God of Israel," (Nehemiah 2:20) "we must build; but YOU yourselves have no share, nor just claim, nor memorial in Jerusalem." So scripturally there is no way Egyptians could have built an acceptable altar to Jehovah. Also Isaiah 19:19 is written in symbolic language and is not describing an actual altar, this symbolic altar is stated to be a pillar. A pillar is a tall narrow cylinder, or in the Bible can also refer to a pile of uncut stones, Egyptian pyramids are neither. The Egypt described here is not literal Egypt, it refers to the world alienated from God. (Revelation 11:8) "the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt," and the pillar (1 Timothy 3:15) "is the congregation of [the] living God, a pillar and support of the truth." (Revelation 3:12) So what Isaiah 19:19 is saying that there will be true worshipers of Jehovah standing firm in the middle of a world that is in spiritual sense like Egypt and yet they will be on the border of that land because they are soon to enter God's promises. So no reference here to the Great Pyramid or any other. In the scriptures, Jehovah's altars and memorial pillars are never built or to be built using cut stones. The only things built with cut stones used in Jehovah's service was the temple buildings. But since Isaiah 19:19 makes no mention of a temple and any altars or memorial pillars built with cut stones would be profane, there is no reference to the Great Pyramid in this verse. Attempting to support your case on the math based on the Great Pyramid is pointless since the numbers are all preset to give the desired results, as the others are pointing out to you, and as I have said before it is just a simple exercise in numerology. "Special" measuring units are invented to create the desired match with selected data chosen to fit the results. It is a simple trick, a math game like someone knowing what number you picked, a few simple steps and seemly amazingly impossible coincidences are soon found that fool the gullible. (Proverbs 14:15) "Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps." Step back and consider how foolish Pyramidology is, why would God have a pagan nation spell out ambiguous things in tons of stone, that could have been stated in a few simple words in the Bible? The greatest proof of God is not some man-made mountain of stone, it is in God's ability to deliver his people and in the super human accuracy of fulfilled Bible prophecies. Only those who doesn't understand the power of the Word of God feel the need to look for support for God's existence in the dimensions of a pyramid. Sincerely yours; Wm Scott Anderson
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