Willowtree
Satrting with post # 38 we have not resolved the determination of the so-called "sacred inch".
More about the sacred inch from another website.
http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htm
The Great Pyramid was placed, not only at the exact center of the Nile delta quadrant, but, it is also placed at the exact center of all the land mass of the earth. That's right. Lines drawn north, south, east and west from the pyramid equally divide the earth's terrain. The longest land meridian, and the longest land parallel. The pyramid is aligned with True North, not magnetic north. Our closest achievement in that alignment is the Paris Observatory, it is six minutes of a degree off of true north. The pyramid is only three minutes off and that was proven to be the result of the land shifting and not by an error of the builders. True North is when you take the earth's axis and extend the north line out into space, it hits a point, usually a star, now it is Polaris.
There is what is called the "Precession of the Equinoxes". A twenty four to twenty six thousand year cycle, when, as this earth is spinning like a top, there is a wobble, the true north point in space, rotates, completing a circle in the heavens. Thus every so often the North star changes. Embodied within this pyramid is that knowledge. We're just starting to figure these things out. How in the world did the builders of the pyramid know these things? They did. On one day, at the Vernal Equinox in the year 2141 BC, Alpha Draconus, the "Dragon Star" in the Draco constellation, was the pole star and it was so perfectly aligned with the descending passage, that if someone was at the bottom holding a mirror, that star would reflect that light. A seeming total impossibility, but they did it. The basic unit of measure within the pyramid is the "Sacred Inch". This same inch, in the sacred cubit, is also used in Noah's ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Solomon's Temple and in the New Jerusalem. This inch is only a half of a hair's breadth different than the English inch and the American inch.
The source of this inch, is the axis of the earth. 1/500,000,000th part of the earth's axis is equal to the sacred inch. The Metric system uses the circumference of the earth from the pole to the equator as it's source. Since that distance varies at different places measured, the most logical and accurate system of measurement then would be the sacred inch system, because the earth's axis doesn't change.
To this I responded.
Willowtree
The source of this inch, is the axis of the earth. 1/500,000,000th part of the earth's axis is equal to the sacred inch. The Metric system uses the circumference of the earth from the pole to the equator as it's source. Since that distance varies at different places measured, the most logical and accurate system of measurement then would be the sacred inch system, because the earth's axis doesn't change.
Well what an interseting bit of lore. Perhaps we could bring to bear just a little scepticism to the table.First we have this item
On one day, at the Vernal Equinox in the year 2141 BC, Alpha Draconus, the "Dragon Star" in the Draco constellation, was the pole star and it was so perfectly aligned with the descending passage, that if someone was at the bottom holding a mirror, that star would reflect that light.
I cannot yet say but I am downloading a software package that will allow me to reverse the night sky into the past while watching the constellations. I will be able to verify whether Alpha Draconus was indeed in the location necessary to qualify as the pole star but I think at the moment that such is not the case.
Regardless we need to also ask how they were able to determine the polar axis on a direct course through the center of the planet.Given that the north star was Alpha Draconus {yet to be verified} we need the other half of the equation which is a perfectly aligned star to determine the location of the south polar axis.
Now I do not believe that there is much in the way of likelihood of such a occuence actually coming together between the northern and southern skies.But in order for a proper determination of this,
The source of this inch, is the axis of the earth. 1/500,000,000th part of the earth's axis is equal to the sacred inch.
We require both these to be present otherwise we have no way of determining the actual axis of the Earth.{nor does anybody else.}
Please see if you can bring this information to the table while I run the software to determine locations of stars in 2141 B.C.
This is your reply.
Message 212 of 631 06-25-2004 03:09 PM
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Well what an interseting bit of lore.
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This was your comment concerning the determination of the unit of measure called the "inch".
I posted the evidence and my explanation with source.
For you to call it "lore" without refuting it is a bare opinion.
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I cannot yet say but I am downloading a software package that will allow me to reverse the night sky into the past while watching the constellations. I will be able to verify whether Alpha Draconus was indeed in the location necessary to qualify as the pole star but I think at the moment that such is not the case.
Regardless we need to also ask how they were able to determine the polar axis on a direct course through the center of the planet.Given that the north star was Alpha Draconus {yet to be verified} we need the other half of the equation which is a perfectly aligned star to determine the location of the south polar axis.
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This excerpt of yours is pertaining to how the starting benchmark date was arrived at.
What was the results of your search about which star was the North star in 2141 BC ?
My point still stands.
I have posted the evidence with source, a source who says those stars lined up as I have claimed in 2141 BC.
There are other websites that disagree with my sources in this issue and I am surprised nobody has offered these links. Until someone posts contradicting evidence with source my evidence stands unchallenged. So far I have only used Dr. Capt as a source. I will begin to cite some other heavy hitter sources shortly, and of course Dr. Scott is my source. All these people laughed at these claims UNTIL they looked.
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we need the other half of the equation which is a perfectly aligned star to determine the location of the south polar axis.
Now I do not believe that there is much in the way of likelihood of such a occuence actually coming together between the northern and southern skies.But in order for a proper determination of this
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Why do we need the other half ?
I made no claims about the 'southern' anything.
The descending passage is almost perfectly aligned with TRUE north star in 2141 BC.
The scored lines ALSO were in perfect alignment with Alcyone in Pleiades in 2141 BC. This makes 2141 BC the starting immutable benchmark date and commenses the prophetic chronograph. I submitted this evidence with source and nobody has posted their refuting evidence with source.
There is no way around it. No ancient human being possessed the ability to know or determine these things. Flinders Petrie was the first scientist using modern instruments to measure the Pyramid. This is the whole issue - this contrast of technology thousands of years apart.
It would be infinetly more easy to find a needle in a haystack the size of Rhode Island than to line up a passage with the North Star of 2141 BC - and we are led to believe ancient egpytians knew how. Why would they have to have this anyway ? Plus, why are there air shafts leading into the Kings Chamber which keep the chamber at a constant 68 degrees when unobstructed. Why does a dead Pharoah need air ?
Then the interior passage system perfectly symbolizes the exact message of the Bible. How many "coincidences" before an objective person bows to the obvious ?
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The measuring units between the north and south axis - are you disagreeing with this claim ?
Go ahead, but you need to acknowledge my evidence and source then show me yours.
Once again, what was the outcome of your computer search ?
My answer.
WILLOWTREE
This is a quote from a previous post of yours.
Shove an imaginary pole through the Earth, and the distance from pole to pole can be chopped into 500,000,000 increments
we need the other half of the equation which is a perfectly aligned star to determine the location of the south polar axis.
Now I do not believe that there is much in the way of likelihood of such a occuence actually coming together between the northern and southern skies.But in order for a proper determination of this
Why do we need the other half ?
I made no claims about the 'southern' anything.
The descending passage is almost perfectly aligned with TRUE north star in 2141 BC.
In order for the distance to the pole to pole distance to be measured{of which the sacred inch is 1/500,000,000th part} it is necessary to determine where those poles are.Alpha Draconis {Thuban} was indeed the pole star in 2141,however it was not as close to earths polar axis as Polaris is today. The reason for the the locating of the southern pole star {Which could not have been located by the people in Egypt ever} is that this is the means by which we would be able to locate the southern pole which helps define the distance of the pole to pole rotational axis of the Earth necessary for accurately determining the sacred inch. Since we only have the location of north determined and not even very precisely then such a measurement is not very dependable is it?
Thuban's pole star position is given at this site
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Among the best ever, however, was our Thuban, which was almost exactly at the pole in 2700 BC. It remained better than Kochab up to around 1900 BC, and was therefore the pole star during the time of the ancient Egyptian civilizations
I did not recieve an answer from you but recieved one from jar as follows.
Why would anyone ever think that the Great Pyramid is aligned with the north pole (which they neither saw nor knew about) instead of the polar star which they could see?
The North Star was not important to the Egyptians because it was in the North, it was important because unlike all other stars, it did not move.
To this I said.
I was not arguing the use of the pole star for the purpose of direction of the north pole. Willowtree is trying to establish that the "sacred inch" is 1/500,000,000 th part of the pole to pole distance. The use of Thuban to determine this would not be enough on its own.So what the hell did they measure the 1/500,000,000th part of I cannot tell.
Now I am going to place the burden upon you to find out how your source was able to determine the sacred inch without first measuring the physical distance from pole to pole and explain how the location of the south pole was determined.
Every measurement throughout this thread centers around the veracity of this sacred inch.If your sources cannot show how they made the determination then their own expertise is highly suspect.
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