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pink sasquatch
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Message 570 of 739 (124796)
07-15-2004 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Cold Foreign Object
07-15-2004 5:15 PM


Smyth map
The map of Smyth clearly visualizes his coords and claim.
Smyth's map does not include much of Antarctica, and cuts off about half of Greenland. Perhaps this coincides with the "habitable" qualification?
WILLOWTREE - have any of your sources given any calculations behind the claim presented with the map image in post 106, "Lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis of the Pyramid divide equally the earth's terrain"?
I would be nice to see some math behind that assertion - looking at the Smyth map alone is not sufficient evidence for that assertion.
For example, placing the intersection of longitude and latitude at Jerusalem or Mecca would give the same overall ("eyeballing it") appearance at the global scale. Why the pyramid at that intersection and not Jerusalem? why not Mecca?
Calculations, not a hand-drawn map, are needed to sensibly discuss this claim.

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Message 584 of 739 (125369)
07-18-2004 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 572 by Cold Foreign Object
07-17-2004 3:37 PM


0.001 estimation
To requote jar's passage:
Despite the fact that the calculations performed by Sir William Flinders Petrie are highly accurate he has used a number of assumption in all of these calculations...
the straight edged Petrie Pyramid is an accurate calculation... taking into account of course the assumptions that were included in the calculations.
So we are left with any modern measurement of the pyramid as the best estimation surveyors were able to come up with using a number of assumptions.
Given these details, not to mention the issues of thermal expansion, erosion, and vandalism - I'm trying to see the point of further effort arguing the height of the pyramid within several inches, let alone thousandths of an inch.
This is NOT an attack on Rutherford, since any modern calcuation of the pyramid's height is an estimation.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 713 of 739 (129845)
08-02-2004 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 711 by Cold Foreign Object
08-02-2004 3:53 PM


double-standards in thought and measurement
Hi WILLOWTREE - I haven't been posting in the thread, but I have been keeping up waiting for something interesting to happen.
I was TOLD no website qualifies as evidence unless the link contains sources and how the conclusion is determined.
True. Also, a "source" like Smyth's map and accompanying assertions ALSO needs to include "how the conclusion is determined". Otherwise we have no way to examine his "evidence".
I agree with Ned and Lindum that the LLM claim should have been examined first, and remains to be evidenced properly - though this should be simple since it is perhaps the simplest claim.
Do you have any source that gives exact coordinates for Smyth's rather vague claims? If noone can come up with coordinates that support his claim, then the LLM claim must be dropped, because essentially there is no claim without coordinates.
And a clarification:
WILLOWTREE writes:
Numerology is the representation of words/symbols via numbers, naturalists never participate in numerolgy arguments because there is nothing to gain for their persuasion.
American Heritage Dictionary writes:
Numerology = The study of the occult meanings of numbers and their supposed influence on human life.
It doesn't matter if the numbers are equated to words or years or religious meaning, it is still numerology.
Since the entire work of Rutherford is assigning occult/supernatural meanings to numerical measurements of the pyramid, Rutherford is practicing numerology.
Most of your arguments are numerology.
And a general remark on various statements you've made in multiple posts:
The fact that a measurement is repeated throughout a structure does not equate to the presence of a supernatural or superintelligent designer or architect. You repeatedly mention the 286.1 Rectification Factor as somehow existing as an internal proof of a superintelligent architect.
Why isn't the plausible alternative true - that a measurement/number equivalent to 286.1 SI was of some importance to Egyptian measurement, mathematics, philosophy, aesthetics, or spirituality?

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pink sasquatch
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Message 724 of 739 (130057)
08-03-2004 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Cold Foreign Object
08-03-2004 3:16 PM


Re: CHECKMeasurements
This issue is not a matter of opinion - the accuracy is self evident and proven objectively by three sources, you are an intelligent person daring anyone to cross you and recognize the evidence. Whats the point in having multiple sources if opponents are just going to assert?
WILLOWTREE! You are correct - the issue is not a matter of opinion, but it is also nota matter of assertion or source.
The issue of accuracy is basic to measurements and math using measurements - the concept generally taught in high school as "significant digits."
Since you do not seem to understand significant digits, I'm including a few links to how they are determined and how they are used in calculations. Hopefully they will help with the issue at hand:
It is important to be honest when reporting a measurement, so that it does not appear to be more accurate than the equipment used to make the measurement allows. We can achieve this by controlling the number of digits, or significant figures, used to report the measurement.
Significant Figures
For measured numbers, significant figures relate the certainty of the measurement. As the number of significant figures increases, the more
certain the measurement.
http://www.towson.edu/~ladon/sigfigs.html
When multiplying or dividing measurements, the answer should contain the same number of significant digits as the measurement with the least number of significant digits.
http://www.batesville.k12.in.us/...t/Significant_Digits.html
When we work with numbers that come from the real world (such as measurements from a ruler), the numbers are not exact, but carry some amount of inaccuracy with them...
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/58335.html
These links contain much more information, including sample calculations. Hopefully you will check them out and better understand how real-world measurements effect math.
And perhaps read the quote above from the third source listed - it is the leastaccurate measurement that determines the final accuracy, and not the most accurate (pi as claimed by your sources).
When Percy is denying the accuracy your sources claim, it is out of basic mathematical concepts, not opinion or assertion.

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