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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Flip a coin.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Even better... Radioactive decay. It is unable to be predicted when it will happen.
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One_Charred_Wing Member (Idle past 6186 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: |
And with that simple display of facts despite the requests of the original post, I think I'll officially declare a victory for the (mostly)theistic evolutionist camp.
Unless there are some remnants that still want a piece. I invite you to go ahead; I've got nothing better to do for the next hour than to sit around . Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)
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Syamsu  Suspended Member (Idle past 5621 days) Posts: 1914 From: amsterdam Joined: |
1 openly failed the test, 1 left in vagueness to describe who or what was making the decision, 1 seems to be saying that adding the adjective really to it, makes it an adequate description of events turning out one way or another, as in it really, really, really could turn out one way or another would be even more clear.
I think we can all see that evolutionists generally know nothing about creation, about things that are new, and not just an effect of what was before, and they deny and ignore creation as somehow being disproven by evolution theory. regards,Mohammad Nor Syamsu
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think we can all see that evolutionists generally know nothing about creation, about things that are new, and not just an effect of what was before, and they deny and ignore creation as somehow being disproven by evolution theory. One more time. Evolution does not deal with Creation. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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One_Charred_Wing Member (Idle past 6186 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: |
I think we can all see that evolutionists generally know nothing about creation, about things that are new, and not just an effect of what was before, and they deny and ignore creation as somehow being disproven by evolution theory. Repeat after me: Evolution does not deal with the origins of life, but how life evolves once it begins. I would like you to type that sentence back to me exactly without using the copy button, then acknowledge that you understand the context of what it means. I don't mean to sound like a Kindergarten teacher, but this is the 9th time that has been addressed to you.
1 openly failed the test, 1 left in vagueness to describe who or what was making the decision, 1 seems to be saying that adding the adjective really to it, makes it an adequate description of events turning out one way or another, as in it really, really, really could turn out one way or another would be even more clear... Look, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this, but whatever. The topic is whether or not the ToE in itself without all the crazed ideology that a few people drew from it is a religion.So far we agree that the ToE IN ITSELF isn't, right? Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Then creationists should be able to make accurate predictions in the fields of biology and geology. Care to share those predictions with us? Care to show where creationists have made predictions that were fulfilled?
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 782 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Care to share those predictions with us? Care to show where creationists have made predictions that were fulfilled? Well, I do know how everyone believes Walt Brown is a nut, but he HAS made predictions that have been fulfilled.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
It seems that the next thing you would do would be to list a few of them. Why stop now?
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
Hangdawg,
Read the previous post again: Care to share those predictions with us? Care to show where creationists have made predictions that were fulfilled? Could you please be specific as the the whats and wheres instead of the who.
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NOTHINGNESS Inactive Member |
Is nothingness a reality? Does nothingness have a beginning, an ending? What created nothingness?
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almeyda Inactive Member |
Evolution is a religion because it requires a belief that all animals came from a common ancestor. The problem here is that in todays observations. Animals reproduce only with there own kinds. Canines with canines, equines with equines etc. So what changed millions of yrs ago that had birds changing into reptiles, fish to amphibians, fish to people. Since when in todays observation can a premeval pond grow itself eyes, brains, lungs?.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 508 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
If we ignore the rambler, hopefully he'll stop rambling.
The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 782 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
I wasn't going to reply, because it's not really on topic, but I'll list Brown's predictions:
From the front page of his website:
Prediction 1 of the hydroplate theory, first published in 1980, appears to have been confirmed: A one-mile-thick layer of salt water has been detected 10 miles below the Tibetan Plateau. For details, see page 110. Prediction 19that salt would be discovered in water drainage channels on Marswas first published in 2001. That discovery was announced in March 2004. For details, see page 211. Living bacteria have been found in meteorites. For details and to see how this relates to the global flood, go to page 232. This amazing discovery does not mean that life on earth came from outer space Actually regarding this one, I just read something an hour ago that has scientists doubting that what they thought was bacteria in these meteorites really wasn't. But I think there is still debate about this.
Prediction 2: Salty water sometimes fills cracks in granite 5-10 miles below the earth's surface, where surface water should not be able to penetrate. Prediction 3: The crystalline rock under Gibraltar, the Bosporus and Dardanelles, and the Golden Gate bridge will be found to be eroded into a V-shaped notch. (published in 1995 confirmed in 1988.) ... Prediction 5: The magnetic intensity above black smokers slowly increases because the more recently fractured rock below is cooling. Prediction 6: A ten-mile thick granite hydroplate will be found a mile or so under the western Pacific floor. Prediction 7: Fossils of land animals, not just shallow water sea creatures, will be found in and near trenches. Prediction 8: Precise measurements of the center of the western Paciic floor will show it is rising relative to sea level and the center of the earth, because plates are still drifting. 9: When greater precision is achieved in measuring the inner core's rotational speed, it will be found to be declerating. Prediction 11: Corings taken anywhere in the bottom of any large lake will not show laminations as thin, parallel, and extensive as the varves of the Green River formation, perhaps the best known of all varve deposits. On frozen mammoths:Prediction 12: High concentrations of loess particles will be found in the bottom several hundred feet of most ice cores drilled in Antarctica and Greenland. Prediction 13: Muck on Siberian plateaus should have a wide range of thicknesses. The greatest thickness will be in former valleys. Preflood hilltops will have the thinnest layers of muck. Drilling or seismic reflection techniques should confirm this. Prediction 14: Rock ice will found to be salty. Prediction 15: Bubbles in rock ice will be found to contain less air and much more carbon dioxide than normal. Prediction 16: Dirt and organic particles in rock ice will closely resemble those in overlying muck. Prediction 17: One should never find marine fossils, layered strata, oil, coal seams, or limestone directly beneath undisturbed rock ice or frozen mammoth carcasses. Prediction 18: Blind radiocarbon dating of different parts of the same mammoth will continue to give radiocarbon ages that differ by more than statistical variations would reasonably permit. Contamination by ground water will be most easily seen if the samples came from widely separated parts of the mammoth's body with different water-absorbing characteristics. Prediction 19: Soil in "erosion" channels on Mars will contain traces of soluble compounds, such as salt from the subterranean chamber. Soil far from "erosion" channels will not. Prediction 20: The number of near-parabolic comets passing perihelion each decade is diminishing slightly. This effect will be seen as better telescopes, more searchers, and higher quality data allow adjustments to be made for our increasing ability to see comets. Prediction 21: Some large, near-parabolic comets, as they fall toward the center of the solar system for the first time, will reveal moons acquired as the comets formed. Tidal effects may strip such moons from their comets as they pass the Sun. 24: Excess heavy hydrogen will be found in salty water pockets five or more miles below the earth's surface. 25: Spacecraft landing on a comet will find that comets contain loess and trace amounts of vegetation and bacteria, and about twice the salt concentration of our oceans. 26: the Oort cloud will never be seen, because it doesnot exist. 27: No incoming hyperbolic comet will ever be seen, because comets originated from Earth, not outside the solar system. 28: Comets should have small rocks in their cores. 29: Rocks in asteroids are typical of the Earth's crust. 30: Ceres, the largest asteroid, will be found to have a very Earthlike spin. 31: As has been discovered on the Moon and apparently on Mercury, frost will be found in permanently shadowed craters on Mars. That frost will be rich in heavy hydrogen. 32: Bones or other organic remains that contain enough carbon and are believed by evolutionists to be much older than 70,000 years will be shown to be relatively young in blind radiocarbon tests. I must've missed a couple, but there's most of them. I don't have any more time to write the predictions here, but there are some made to do with biology and dating here: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/index.html One of the predictions here that I recall, is that further investigation of MitDNA mutation rates and differences in more species will all reveal a recent bottlneck bottleneck. I think someone just posted an article here about the dingo that revealed a mitochondrial age of 6000 years. Of course he assumed it was a lie. Anyway, let's not get sidetracked here debating these predictions. If anyone wants to discuss those, then feel free to start a new thread and just copy these in there.
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Prediction 3: The crystalline rock under Gibraltar, the Bosporus and Dardanelles, and the Golden Gate bridge will be found to be eroded into a V-shaped notch. (published in 1995 confirmed in 1988.) That sounds about par for the course. A prediction published 7 years after what it is supposed to predict has been discovered. I take it this is some sort of typo which should have either 1985 or 1998 instead. TTFN, WK
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