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Author Topic:   Evolution is NOT science: A challenge
mike the wiz
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Message 42 of 591 (123476)
07-09-2004 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by chicowboy
07-09-2004 7:46 PM


You're free to believe and reject anything you want. When you suggest an impossibility as somehow mathematically/scientifically relevant, however, you come off as either ignorant or dishonest.
Not really. Obviously Hangdawg feels it takes a belief/faith in abiogenesis of life on earth, because of the complexity thereof, and the improbability of the event. How's that dishonest when it's the truth?
Because there isn't evidence for abiogenesis. And if you say "we are evidence" then please allow me the same privelige of saying that concerning a creator. So basically - chance would be a fine thing, but it is unlikely and also speculative.

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Message 137 of 591 (125018)
07-16-2004 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Loudmouth
07-16-2004 1:06 PM


Re: Evolution
Certainly a possibility to creationists.
Obviously there are laws that are in place that are almost like our bodies, the self sufficient cycle almost.
For example, planets evolve, and stars; and through natural processes; Also, we come about by the natural processes put in place. (Obviously I need not tell you these things but hec I'll do it for the topic )
That is why I myself do not rule out evolution as part of creation.
Nevertheless, I think the creo explanation states that God put in place the laws of nature, yet doesn't mention evolution (seemingly).
Because obviously the order of days in Genesis seems to show God laying the foundations (natural laws). Creating the heavens and the earth first, with the happening of then bringing man from the dust possibly through application of natural settings on his desktop. Yet surely that's a similar thing that abiogenesis says isn't it? That man came from the earth, maybe from the first creature cells (evolution) which were also stated (animals/creatures/critters ) as being put on the earth before man. (If I remember correctly).
Also, Genesis says; "let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,"
However God says "let us make man in our image"..."So God created man in his own image".
So, did he make em or shape em? This is the problem in the wizbox. Maybe he created them using evolution. That remains a possibility in my own mind.

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Message 144 of 591 (125085)
07-16-2004 5:37 PM
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07-16-2004 4:37 PM


Re: Evolution
Would it be fair to say that this supports abiogenesis as well?
I don't know but it for sure says, "let the earth". So, I mean - obviously the earth is nature so I'm surprised christian evos don't use the verse more.
Evolution created the body and God supplied the mind. Afterall, God is non-corporeal, so it wouldn't make sense that he is comparing our physical body with his non-existent one.
Well, I have my own big ol' mindset about this one. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word became flesh" (similar words). So obviously I feel that the Word being Christ - means Christ was there.
The RCC has come to the conclusion that science reached, that there is ample evidence to support the evolution of man from an ape-like ancestor
Hey - you're the expert, I don't argue with scientists. If you are convinced there is ample evidence then fair enough. Meanwhile, I have my own beliefs on this, but they are independent to the reality of what actually happened.

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