Evolution is NOT science: A challenge

Great thread.Understand there are many Christians here to help or support you so call on us if you wish.edited to add, does the title need to be changed.This message has been edited by jar, 07-08-2004 09:28 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Now Asgara, you're making the same mistake many others make. Christian and Creationist are not synonymous. The vast majority of Christians I've ever come across fully support evolution and the Theory of Evolution.This is a partial list of Christian (and Jewish) groups that have publicly said they support Evolution and believe that Creationism is neither correct nor science and that it should not be taught in schools.# American Jewish Congress
# American Scientific Affiliation
# Center For Theology And The Natural Sciences
# Central Conference Of American Rabbis
# Episcopal Bishop Of Atlanta, Pastoral Letter
# The General Convention Of The Episcopal Church
# Lexington Alliance Of Religious Leaders
# The Lutheran World Federation
# Roman Catholic Church
# Unitarian Universalist Association
# United Church Board For Homeland Ministries
# United Methodist Church
# United Presbyterian Church In The U.S.A. source

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You have it right. The Bible is a moral code. It's function is as a guide, a map. That's it. And that would be a shame. There is no conflict between Evolution and GOD, not even between Christianity and Evolution. That is why almost all Christians accept and embrace Evolution.But the point of this thread is about whether Evolution is a religion or not and so far you have not addressed that issue at all. Do you believe Evolution is a Religion?If so, what do you base that belief upon?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, no faith is involved in supporting Evolution at all. Nonsense. The simple fact that so many Christian Churches support Evolution shows that it has nothing to do with the existence of non-existence of GOD. Someone wins lotteries. True, science does not prove things. But in 150 years there has not been a single thing that we have discovered that does not support the TOE. ROFLMAO Dealt with above. You have been told numerous times that Evolution and the TOE does not deal with or address the existence of GOD.Now Gensis is another issue but even there, the Bible tells two entirely different and incompatible stories.The TOE and the evidence for Evolution have been contiually confirmed for a century and a half. It requires no act of faith to support. And so far neither you or any other poster has been able to support any resemblance of TOE and Evolution to a religion.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes, oh wise one. I will retire to the dungeon and write another compiler as penance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Once again, simply not true.Evolution has NOTHING to do with the existence or non-existence of GOD.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Please read what I said. Evolution is neutral. It works texactly the same whether you believe in God or Not. But guess what. There is no evidence that even might be true. In fact, I can imagine a whole bunch of things that are far more reasonable than a 6000 year old Earth. Things like Invisible Pink Unicorns.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, let's examine what I said.Imagine two assertions.For one assertion there is nothing but a mention in some book, nothing to prove it either true or false.For the second assertion there is nothing to prove it true but a mention in some book, but there is tons and tons of evidence that shows it is false. In addition, the evidence is from many different sources and each of these is mututually supporting and corroboration.Of those two, the one with no support either for or against, or the one with no support for but tons of evidence that falsifies it, which is the more likely to be true?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Still no information in the post.From the OP The thread is about whether Evolution is a science or a religion.So far no one has shown any reason to think it is a religion instead of science.Your excursion into the imaginary 6000 year old Earth has nothing to do with the topic. It has no relevance to this thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But Evolution does not deal with origins? So what is your point? Nonsense on three counts.First, what leaps of faith are required to explain Evolution?Second, as stated above, the TOE does not deal with origins so it does not replace religion.Third, what does Evolution have to do with Humanistic Philosophies?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Two different subjects again. As to the rest of the paragraph, nope! It takes no faith, only examining the evidence. Bringing in two different subjects again. Please show me where Evolution deals with morality and altruism and good and evil and a soul and spirit? And those other methods are what exactly? What???? Do you mean where humans came from? If that's your question then again, no leaps of faith required. All the evidence seems to show we came from some earlier primate. Probably true. But eventually some bright lad or lass would point out that the Emporor had no clothes.Wait. That already happened. That's why even religion threw out the young earth idea long before Darwin.A belief based on an obvious falsehood like the 6000 year old earth will surely fall when confronted with the enormous body of evidence that shows it is false.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I must have missed that post. Sorry. Can you point me towards it?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

And that is precisely why Creation Science is not science.You see, it starts with the conclusion, "The Bible is true". It then goes on to look for or make up evidence to fit the conclusion.When you start with the conclusion you can never gain knowledge. You can never get anywhere.Real Science on the other hand, works the other way. First you make observations. "I see that there are many layers of different kinds of rock sitting on top of an identifiable layer. What might cause that?"So in science you have observation ------> hypothesis ------> testing ------Theory ------> conclusion.In Creationism (even what they try to pass off as science) it is conclusion ------> theory ------hypothesis. Once they get to that point they sometimes (but not very often) start looking around for evidence and they never really test the hypothesis. But it doesn't much matter if the evidence is there or not, the conclusion is already fixed and even if they test the hypothesis and it doesn't work, doesn't matter, the theory is already fixed.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Not at all. Evolution says absolutely nothing about creation aand has nothing to do with creation.The fact that someone might believe in a God, or in Creation does nothing to show that Evolution is a religion.That would make about as much sense as saying that because I like hamburgers, turtles are birds.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

While you might believe that, it certainly is not the case.There is nothing in the TOE that is in anyway problematical with Christianity, nor is there anything in the TOE that reflects a view of nature "Red in tooth and claw". It would be just as reasonable to describe Evolution as "longer beaks to sip the nectar of the flowers".

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion