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Author Topic:   Evolution is NOT science: A challenge
portmaster1000
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Message 192 of 591 (126007)
07-20-2004 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Syamsu
07-20-2004 8:21 AM


Re: Back to business
Syamsu writes:
You are evidently not inclined to support the facts of creation
Hi Syamsu, I am very interested in the Theory of Creation VS the Theory of Evolution. Could you provide a list of the facts (or observations) of which you speak? I'd also be interested in an outline of the Theory of Creation so I can get a handle on the hypothesis.
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 207 of 591 (126229)
07-21-2004 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by One_Charred_Wing
07-20-2004 5:34 PM


Re: Hello Portmaster
Unfortunately, if I stop the spin it would foil my plot to hypnotize everyone on this forum... and from there... TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!
muhahahaha
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portmaster1000
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Message 217 of 591 (126537)
07-22-2004 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Syamsu
07-21-2004 5:54 AM


Re: Back to business
Syamsu writes:
The point of a creation event is that it's not a neccesary effect of what went before. Something new is introduced. If you choose between left or right, and you choose left, then by definition there can't be any material property which makes you choose left over right, unless it wasn't in fact a choice which side you chose. Material properties neccesitate a particular outcome, or make one outcome more likely then another, but choice is not a material property this way.
Likewise if a rock falls to the ground and in the event it can bounce left or right, you can see that this is conceptually much the same as choice. I will not go into what the differences are between a choice, and the "outcome-determination" of a chance, I just want to note the basic similarity here, so to say that things are created without the presence of a material brain.
Materialism can be wholy counterintuitive to creation, but this should not be a problem once you recognize that the number zero is just as much a part of math as the number one is, and math describes all the material. Creation is from nothing, materially speaking.
Hi Syamsu,
I'm still trying to get a grasp on the concept in the above paragraphs. I'm going to put my understanding of the concept in my own words. Can you let me know if I'm close?
  • Some events totally go against any material properties possessed by them.
  • Since none of the material properties cause such an event to happen, we can conclude an intelligent choice caused the event.
  • Thus there is a "creation" since normally the event could never happen within the given material properties.
I await your feedback.
thanx
PM1K

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