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jar
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Message 104 of 165 (127791)
07-26-2004 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by dandon83
07-26-2004 6:55 AM


Re: Did GOD design Man in HIS image?
In that case I would tell you that you are making exactly the same mistake that Fundamentalist and Literalist Christians are making.
The Map is not the Territory.
The Koran is not Islam just as the Bible is not Christianity.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 109 of 165 (128063)
07-27-2004 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by dandon83
07-27-2004 5:26 AM


Sorry . but I do not understand what you want to say , would you explain!!!
I said,

The Map is not the Territory.

When Christians take the Bible as the Literal Word of God, they make the mistake of confusing the Map for the actual territory that it depicts.
Imagine that God and salvation are a Treasure. If that is true, then the Bible, Torah or The Koran, are but Treasure Maps, they are not the treasure itself.
But God has left us more information then any of them. God has left us the world, the Universe and all that is in it. While the various sacred documents may well be maps, when it comes to the World, the Universe and all that is in it, the record left unwritten except by the hand of God is the real Territory. It is the fossil record, the geological column, the land and skies, the stars in their magnificence.
The accounts of creation in the Bible, in the Koran are but stories, allegories, parables. They express an idea in terms that could be understood by the people of that time. They are meant to describe the Why of Creation by using the how of creation as understood by the authors and readers 1400 years ago, or 6000 years ago. They are not meant to be taken literally.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 118 of 165 (128525)
07-29-2004 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by lfen
07-29-2004 1:25 AM


Re: Evidence You Can't See
The Dao de Jing is an interesting study, eight-one short verses that you can spend a lifetime exploring. But to read and understand the Dao you must understand that often they make their point by mocking the common wisdom. The Dao de Jing is meant to make you reconsider your most strongly held beliefs, not to change them but to make you stop, stand apart from them, and look at them from a new perspective.
And that is a lesson that IMHO, we should always keep in the forefront.
Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench. Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner. Do your work, then step back. The only path to serenity.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 163 of 165 (130300)
08-04-2004 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by dandon83
08-04-2004 6:49 AM


Re: BILLOWS TOPPED BY BILLOWS!
Here is a slightly different english translation.
[24.40] Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.
I'm sorry, but there is no revealed secrets ther. That's simply an allegory related to faith.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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