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Yes ofcorse, may be not in the same length as now ( generations of humans are getting shorter). But in the same shape YES . You will ask me how did I know!!to reach to some place there are many ways. It does not matter which one you go in as long as it is SAFE and can lead you to where you are going.If you can not go on some way -because you lack to enough experience- and other people went on but they reach to a psudo-target(let me call it so),that all does not mean that thier way is wronge !!
indeed your way is not wrong too. there may exist a third way and fourth.....But how will you explain to those people that they have reached a psudo-target ? and the real one is not what they think? they have to continue in there way to reach the true one.
but if thier potentials are not enough yet! would they try another SAFE way (while keeping on in the origional way)? or would they insist considering there psudo-target?A man came to you someday telling you some thing that is unbelievable . but he proved his honesty . would you believe him ? even if his truth is inconsistent with what you have reached to-untill then- in your trustful way???????This message has been edited by dandon83, 07-26-2004 04:32 AM

THE PROOF is something hard for you to examine.It is our HOLY QURAN you need to learn arabic first in order to examine it .If you could .you will find that it is impossible to be written by a man .who can not read or write (or even if he could).Quran told us 1400 years ago things that have been recently prooved by science. so we believe that Quran is from God(ALLAH). and we believed every thing in it.(quran told us that ALLAH created ADAM and his wife ,thus the human beings existed )

no it's not impossible to have been written by a man, it's quite clearly written by a man.You are a man . teached,able to read and write ; would you please write 1/10 like Quran.I would be so glade to follow your new relegion.

try and prove that to me . and see if i will believe you .MORE I will be on your side.

Sorry . but I do not understand what you want to say , would you explain!!!

that -what you say- may be true for Bible. but it is not for Quran.
Quran is applicable for every place ,every time, every mind.It can be understood any period of time . and as you go on learning and discovering ,you will understand Quran in the same way as 1400 years ago BUT WITH MORE FAITH. that is why Quran is from God(ALLAH).And when Quran mean to simplify something for us,you will read before that it is an analogy.

large elements of the koran are just plain steals from other cultures.
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If you mean by other CULTURES ,other books-bible and towrah-then it will not be steals . it would be from the same God.
Then what a -not educated- person that would learn other CULTURES and steal from them following three Comletely different ways-WAYS NOT MEANINGS-in editing his steals :Quran , alhadeeth alqudsi and assonna ashareefa.If you could ,I still want 1/10 of one of them from you , and I will be so so glade to follow your new relegion AGAIN.
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If you are so happy to defend it - why don't you start a thread about the koran and the scientific truth contained within?
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I would, but i have to strengthen my laguage before that. you know these things need some more words.This message has been edited by dandon83, 07-28-2004 03:18 AM

So , what are you protesting at??!

I believe in quran . i said it is true and i prooved that no one can write like it.
you claim that it is not , i asked you to write like 1/10 of it,but you did not answer .
you claimed and asked me to prove that your claiming is wrong.
what is your logic!!!!This message has been edited by dandon83, 07-29-2004 04:28 AM

when i asked charles knight to write 1/10 of the quran that was because he claimed that quran is man-wrote , not to prove if it is correct!

Before 1929 it was thought that gallacies or bit in haphazard manner seinilar to movement of the molecules of gazes however in 1929 a scintific break though turned this assumption up side down Hable discovered that these millions of phalanxes are gaudily distancing themselves from each other This process of distancing is getting accom plaited in great speed which some times is equal to a fraction of the speed of light Even those fallacies which are near to mear to our galaxy (Milk way) with the exception of Andromida, are in contentions process of expansion.This means that the size of the cosmos is in continuous expansion . Allah says "AND THE SKY WE HAVE CREATED BY HANDS WE WILL ENUZDE"(widen), which is in arabic — — ) As we know light is formed of seven different colors Each color has awe which has aseptic length vibration .The shortest awe the blue light has the highest vibration whereas the red light has the longest awe but it has the lowest vibration When Hable analyzed the light which comes from the galaxies he has studied he found that in all studied cases, with the exception of Andromida some other near by galaxies there is general widening of the red light . The more widening toward the red more distance of galaxies is from us After this discovering which was made by Hable it became evident that there are huge dark gaps behind these gaps there is a huge gravitational factor which leads to the red widening. Hence the cosmos is expanding from the point of start to the red ray. There fore aOwanic reality which states that We will widen has been now confirmed by science which assumes that the cosmos is having beginning from which it expands extends it self Allah says that He created the sky He is the one Who will expand it. This is what is going on now seine billions of years the Cosmos is in a continuos expansion. Many gastronomists have confirmed this fact. There fore it became an unchallenged and confirmed scientific fact. The cosmos is expanding the Earth is Globular rotates around itself rotates around the sun. All these are revealed in Dawn now since is confirming it Swore Irenic Verses in the light of science.is it possiple for a non-educated person to know that the cosmo is getting wider? can this be lies? do not forget that quran is the same since 1400 years ago.IF YOU WANT MORE , visit the web site Lady of Akita, Los Misterios Luminosos and Dolorosos | school of Faith reviewThis message has been edited by dandon83, 08-01-2004 05:01 AM

okey thank you ,i will give you better subject about clorofyll just give me some time to collect my information.if you please!

okey i will do, thank you for your advice

he teaches you how to pray.

Billows topped by billows. This is a fact revealed by Quran before fourteen centuries, however, now modern science has confirmed it. Modern science has reached to this fact after establishing hundreds of sea stations by pictures taken by satellites. This fact was said by professor Rashryder a German sea scientist. Before hearing Quran he used to say that the more science advances the more religion retreats. But after hearing this Aaya from Quran he stated that it could not be the product of human intellect. He means that it is a divine word. Professor Dorjaro, the teacher of sea Geology confirmed what Quran said before fourteen centuries. First we have to look at what Quran has said. It says Or (the unbelievers state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, over whelmed with billow Topped by billow, Topped by (dark) clouds: Depth of darkness, one above another: of a man stretches out his hand he can hardly see it! For any to whom Allah giveth not light. There is no light [24:40]. Professor Dorjaro says that in the past man was not capable of diving into the depth of a sea for more than twenty meters without using necessary equipments. But now we can dive into the depth of deep seas and oceans with the help of modern equipments, however, when we go deep into the oceans and deep seas we find the depth very dark. Just at the depth of two hundred meters it is very dark. The modern discoveries of the depth of deep seas gave us real reflection of the picture given in the holy Quran deep ocean Depth of darkness, one above another. It is well known that the spectrum has seven different colors. We may mention for example the red, the yellow, the blue, the green, the orange etc As we go to the depth of a sea we will find that these colors start disappearance of each color will give more darkness. The first disappear is the red, then the orange, then the yellow and the last color to disappear is the blue color which disappear at the depth of about two hundred meters. As each color disappears, as darkness becomes denser till we reach to a state of an over whelming darkness. Regard the Quranic saying billow topped by billows it is scientifically evident that there is a demarcation line, a partition, a division between the deep part of the sea and its upper part. This demarcation line of dividing part is full of waves. These waves break and neutralize the light of the sun and consequently it fails to go to the depth of the sea due to wares. This is a scientific discovery made now in the modern age, but Quran has explained it in detail before fourteen centuries. Professor Dorjaro himself stated that what Quran has explained can not be a human knowledge of that time. He means that it is divine revelation from Allah to the Prophet Mohammed PBUH. Source: Material Evidence for the Existence of Allah. By: Shaikh Mohamed Mutanabi Elsharaowi.you may see more at the website:http://www.geocities.com/rr_eem/Ala3gaz-Al3alme.htmThis message has been edited by dandon83, 08-04-2004 05:51 AMThis message has been edited by dandon83, 08-04-2004 05:53 AM