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Author | Topic: The Nature of Scientific Inquiry - Contrasted with Creation "Science" | |||||||||||||||||||||||
NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
YEC, 7D creation can be falsified, but it cannot be observed, and its cause and mechanisms cannot be examined. Its falsification is possible, but to be studied by science needs more than falsifiability, I think.
Yes, of course. Falsification is only one tool in sorting out different explanations for things. However, once an idea has been falsified it doesn't have to have other examinations done. The only way to save 7D YEC creationism is to say:"God not only did-it, He also made it look like it was done in a different way than it was done." This is generally taken as shitty theology and it doesn't really matter to me. If everyone wants all scientific conclusions to be prefaced with "God made it appear that..." (Gmiat) then nothing changes. It just makes those who want the preface look pretty silly.
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jt Member (Idle past 5625 days) Posts: 239 From: Upper Portion, Left Coast, United States Joined: |
However, once an idea has been falsified it doesn't have to have other examinations done. Very true. However, 7D YEC hasn't, IMO, been falsified. Past falsification, science has little/no power to study creation.
The only way to save 7D YEC creationism is to say: Actually, I disagree with you on that one. That is a different debate, though.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, the 29 evidences list contains really major tests of the theory regarding fossil, genetic, molecular, phylogenetics, and more.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: From a scientific perspective, it most certainly has been falsified.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
What about from a creation scientists point of view? Or isn't he a true scientist.
Hahaha
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Generally - no.
He may do scientific work which he submits to a journal while working as a SCIENTIST, however once he does something connected with the big C - then generally it never goes to such publications... strange that.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
well, no, creation scientists generally do not operate under scientific methodology.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Now now, that's the scotsman fallacy. Why are they called scientists?
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
em...because that's a term that creationist like to use to make it sound like there is a real basic to their work.
Sure some of them are even real scientists - but remember it's the science not the scientist that we are interested in. Testimonial means nothing. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-06-2004 08:48 PM
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
My friend, you are caught up unwittingly - in a silent battle ground. I don't even defend creationists. I'm just trying to annoy Schraff. For all I know - creation scientist are infact not upholding the scientific methodology - as Schraff said. (Me is crafty) but not creo!
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
If you don't know - why don't you find out? - where is the "fair debate" in making points just because you want to upset someone - how does that add to the debate?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
In truth, mike has never upset me.
His arguments are too easy to refute.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Well, it's still a valid question I asked on behalf of creationists.
So - I still think I should have asked it. So, complain to the admin instead of making me suffer your newbie babble.
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
For all I know - creation scientist are infact not upholding the scientific methodology How can it be a valid question when you don't actually know? Spare me your feeble "newbie" spiel.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I asked about a creo scientists point of view, knowing that Schraff is most knowledgable, and might be able to inform me. Don't have me tare you a new one on a technicality.
How can it be a valid question when you don't actually know? I'm asking because I don't know.
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