Loudmouth writes:
I believe you are the one hooked on fantasy. You are depending on a supernatural entity that is untestable and is not supported by one shred of evidence within nature. Perhaps you should check your source for information as well.
1. No. You are saying you believe, but in fact, you don't believe, you are just saying it - you want me to look like that... later in this post I'll show you very simple proof it is not so.
2.You could read all sources of information, each book in this world, you could think you know everything, but it doesn't really matter, the most important thing is that you
can't fool the fact. Even the most simple fact. (a creation of an information - explained later)
You can't fool the truth.
3. Supernatural entity. You know what "supernatural" means for a man? It means something he has never seen, something he can't describe how it looks and works (eg thing, effect, entity). If anybody mentions "supernatural" thing, effect or entity, it doesn't really mean it doesn't exist... it could!
Example -> Imagine you and your friend live
whole life in a box, you (your mind) and his one have
never seen anything else just box (4 walls) and a human body. Nothing else. Now your friend tells you he believes there must be something more, something more complex than this world (box), he says "I believe in it". [btw, he is right, there is something more complex.] That's perfectly logical your friend can't decribe how that "something" looks like because he has never seen it, he can't even give you a proof it does exist because of that. He just believes in it.
Explanation ->
A box is a world you live in now. If somebody tells you that he believes there is something more, you are just blind, you don't believe it, your explanations and thoughts are based only on things and effects you have ever seen in the "box" -> in this world. That's perfectly logical that your friend is not able to describe how it looks like "outside", he can't describe you trees, cars, houses, animals simply because he has no idea about it. You call it "supernatural" in that case (and maybe you are laughing a bit at the time he is saying he believes in "that"). The truth is, in fact, it
does exist. And you can apply this example to any kind of effect or entity as well. Even Casimir effect (will be mentioned later) is in the "box" so if you think a research can find out how the information was created, you think wrong (because it is already known fact -> mentioned later) - and this is the point where everything stops for you and your theory.
It would be great to see you, you understand. I think it is very nice and clear example for everybody.
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It creates energy, it creates meaningful information.. why? You don't know yourself. This is not "theory" this is "fantasy".
It is not fantasy, it is observation. I notice that you still refuse to address the Casimir effect where antimatter and matter spontaneously appear and then anhialate one another. We observe "Little Bangs" all of the time. It is a property of the universe, creating information from energy.
Well, as I said... It creates energy, it creates meaningful information... What you described is NOT an accident. In fact, the answer to your example is again the same (and always will be) - you used an information to create information once again although you (probably) don't see it. Explanation:
You are using Casimir effect, in fact you can use whatever effect you like, the most important thing is "matter and antimatter". In fact, a matter is information itself. A matter couldn't just appear. (btw, you Casimir effect with "matter and antimatter" example is just your fantasy, nonsense, nothing more, but it doesn't matter now really) So you wanna proof?
Accident:1. By accident can be created something meaningless or meaningful [for existing intelligence (entity)]. (see 2)
2. If there is created something meaningful by accident, only an existing intelligence or a program created by intelligence [which is able to understand such thing created by accident] (or something that uses such program) can use it or understand what it is.
Information:1. By information can be created something meaningless or meaningful [for existing intelligence (entity)] information, program. (see 2)
2. The information can be created only by existing intelligence or by a program created by intelligece (or something that uses such program).
Everything mentioned are logical facts.
And this is
clear proof that information can't create itself by accident! As it is all against the logic. There is absolutely no way you can proove the fact is not a fact using the same fact.
As I said,
you can't fool the fact. The fact is that information is
always created by information. There is absolutely no way the information can create itself by accident from nothing. And if I say nothing, I mean nothing.
So... you (evolution) are saying that a life was created from non-living material
by accident. But
a) it is prooved that non-living things can't understand what they did by accident because an itelligence is missing.
b) it is prooved that if we want a non-living material to create something meaningful (for us) it is
always needed an intelligence to create a program for this non-living thing so it can create something meaningful (for us).
So this part was about cosmology and abiogensis problem really, I know. So this together with example in the first answer in this post is 1st part called:
A proof that God exists. (word "God" means 'existing intelligence', or 'existing entity', if you like)
Now that gives you 2 options - a) to believe in God or b) to believe in God and Theory of Evolution as well. But there is also 2nd part....
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With this example it can be done house full of nice furniture (mentioned before) instead of universe.
Other than human construction, there is no natural mechanism for creating a house. However, there is a natural mechanism for creating information. The two are not comparable.
As shown above, there is no natural mechanism for creating information (not using another information) by accident, sorry. You just can't understand the fact... or (and I think this is the case) you don't want to understand it as this is a pillar point of your theory. But as I said at the beginning of my post -> there is absolutely
no way you can fool the fact.
You can't fool the truth.
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Other than human construction, there is no natural mechanism for creating a house
So... now, when I've explained everything clearly, tell me what's the difference between house and a planet Earth.
Then as I mentioned before there is also 2nd part - called:
A proof that evolution itself is nonsense. Explained in the next post (a reply to Pink...)
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