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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Understanding is not a part of Evolution. Survival is.
Honestly, for millions and millions of years critters evolved without understanding one little thing about evolution. We are just fortunate enough to be able to begin to understand what happened. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix Inactive Member |
Atoms and molecules are found naturally in the universe. The theory of abiogenesis is generating experiments that show under what conditions organic molecules arise from simpler compounds. Certain of these molecules can act as templates and replicate themselves. There is still a lot of work to be done. My point is that as of today abiogenesis has neither been proved or disproved. But the properties we see of the cells are chemical properties. Lipids act to form spherical structures in water because of the way the different ends of the lipid molecule are attracted by or repulsed by water molecules. You have not proved anything. You've made an interesting argument that information is needed to build large molecular cells. But you've not proven it and therefore have not disproved the theory of evolution. I understand your objection. And information may yet be found to in some way play an important role in the universe or not. That you are confident in your beliefs does not constitute proof. Well done.... I have not prooved anything : ) OK, live in your world of fantasy. When it comes to your end, you will meet a truth. I'm saving whole discussion. I don't know if it is entertaining or sad at this moment. Nevermind. Good luck in your life.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
yfifix,
I'm saving whole discussion. Send it to ANY website that deals with logic. It could be a case study. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Thank you. And the very best life to you also.
lfen
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
mark24 says:
quote: No there are not. There are only 3 kinds of people; those who can count and those who can't. So there lfen
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
yxifix,
I'm not sure to what degree but I do have some sympathy with the situation you are trying to deal with. My personal approach is not pure science but neither is it traditional supernatural religion. I will use the term trancendent for something that is in addition to the physical universe but not in contradiction to it. The trancendent for me is the most intimate experience we have of being. That we not only are but know we are is a mystery just now being addressed by science. I've no idea if we will discover that consciousness is emergent or not. My tendency is to think it is fundamental to the same or greater degree that matter/energy space/time are fundamental. The phenomena of ego involves a lot of illusion and fantasy of many different kinds. Theory of evolution as stated doesn't necessarily invalidate the notion of a meaningful trancendent aspect of our being.There are theist who find their religious beliefs can harmonize with ToE. Information may be an interesting way to add a diminsion to the universe. I don't know. But it has not been developed enough that it constitutes proof or disproof, at best it's conjecture. I think it's a good avenue to explore. But I also think announcing the death of the ToE is a bit premature. lfen
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yxifix Inactive Member |
Ifen writes: I'm not sure to what degree but I do have some sympathy with the situation you are trying to deal with. My personal approach is not pure science but neither is it traditional supernatural religion. I will use the term trancendent for something that is in addition to the physical universe but not in contradiction to it. The trancendent for me is the most intimate experience we have of being. That we not only are but know we are is a mystery just now being addressed by science. I've no idea if we will discover that consciousness is emergent or not. My tendency is to think it is fundamental to the same or greater degree that matter/energy space/time are fundamental. The phenomena of ego involves a lot of illusion and fantasy of many different kinds. Theory of evolution as stated doesn't necessarily invalidate the notion of a meaningful trancendent aspect of our being.There are theist who find their religious beliefs can harmonize with ToE. Information may be an interesting way to add a diminsion to the universe. I don't know. But it has not been developed enough that it constitutes proof or disproof, at best it's conjecture. I think it's a good avenue to explore. But I also think announcing the death of the ToE is a bit premature. Well.. my aim was not to persuade anybody to believe in God, and only in God.... my aim was to show a proof against the evolution. If it is not enough for some people, what can I say? Nevermind. There is one very important fact -> Everyone has a right to choose.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well.. my aim was not to persuade anybody to believe in God, and only in God.... my aim was to show a proof against the evolution. But there is no conflict between believing in GOD and the Theory of Evolution. They are totally unrelated issues. That's why almost all Christian Churches support the Theory of Evolution and oppose teaching Creationism. That's one of the reasons that your posts were so illogical. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix Inactive Member |
jar writes: But there is no conflict between believing in GOD and the Theory of Evolution. They are totally unrelated issues. That's why almost all Christian Churches support the Theory of Evolution and oppose teaching Creationism. That's one of the reasons that your posts were so illogical. There is a big conflict in believing in God and theory of evolution, I prooved it. I prooved that there is only one possibility. I'm sure my posts are perfectly logical. But I won't repeat this anymore.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is a big conflict in believing in God and theory of evolution, I prooved it. Well, no, you kept asserting that but you never offered any proof or even any evidence. On the other hand, once again, here is a short list of the Christian and Jewish churches that support the Theory of Evolution and oppose the teaching of Creationism.
quote: So the Episcopal, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist and Presbyterian Churches have all said that there is no problems between believing in GOD and the Theory of Evolution. This has been shown to you several times now. There is no conflict between Evolution and a belief in GOD or Christianity. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix Inactive Member |
jar writes: So the Episcopal, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist and Presbyterian Churches have all said that there is no problems between believing in GOD and the Theory of Evolution. This has been shown to you several times now. I am not a member of any churches ... All mentioned are full of fools and hypocrites. If they believe in evolution, it's just a proof they are. Mt 7:15-20 -> Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 1Jn 4:1-3 -> Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Rm 16:17 -> Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. I had to find it, it took me some time, in fact, I haven't read Bible so far, only very few parts, but I'll change it soon.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am not a member of any churches ... All mentioned are full of fools and hypocrites. If they believe in evolution, it's just a proof they are. I had to find it, it took me some time, in fact, I haven't read Bible so far, only very few parts, but I'll change it soon. I rest my case. Quote mining is not the way to worship. It does not matter if you are picking quotes from the Bible or crackpot sites like ICR and AIG. Once you begin to learn a little bit about Christianity, perhaps you'll be prepared to debate. In the menatime, pushing a literal interpretation of Genesis is not only bad science, it's lousy theology. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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yxifix Inactive Member |
jar writes: Quote mining is not the way to worship. It does not matter if you are picking quotes from the Bible or crackpot sites like ICR and AIG. Once you begin to learn a little bit about Christianity, perhaps you'll be prepared to debate. In the menatime, pushing a literal interpretation of Genesis is not only bad science, it's lousy theology. So you are saying I have no right to quote from the Bible? Come on.One thing is sure - I'll never follow hypocrites. And there are a lot of them out there. Belief in God is not a science ! !
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
lol
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yxifix Inactive Member |
mark24 writes: lol To everybody: Thread: Intelligent Design -> How does Complexity demonstrate Design message 226 --> no assertion anymore... clear proof as you like it http://EvC Forum: How does Complexity demonstrate Design -->EvC Forum: How does Complexity demonstrate Design
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