The bible and homosexuality: Round 3

Your twisted lies are not my secrets, nice try, try again. All BS. Thats not what I am saying, proof that you do not listen.
Awe3some, just awesome. It sucks when people like me can see right through you?
It sucks when even you lie, I still Love you.

I have supported everything I said. His short answer is that I am a liar. Thats intelligent conversation. Thast just it, I have not said it is a sin. The bible has said it is a sin. I feel myself that it is not right, that is what God has shown to me. But that does not dictate how I treat a gay person, I still love them.And if anyone tries to point out about how I am against same sex marriage, its not because I am against gays, its because I do not consider it a marriage. If there is a way for them to get all the legal rights, then go for it. But it is not a marriage. Lord I pray right here and now, that everyone in this thread would just understand the moral meaning of that verse, In Jesus's name, Amen. No the bible is. They are just asking what it says.Isn't that intrappment? A gay person asks you, is Homosexuality a sin? You repond yes, and then they say who are you to say that?
I didn't start this thread. I did however start a thread that posed the question of why is being Gay ok. I did not get any acceptable answers. No, if I am to act like a Christian, I am to turn the other cheek, and forgive you, so that I can be forgiven. There is no freedom in being angry at people, or holding grudges. Its not marriage, thats how I feel, you expect me to change how I feel? Its like calling a car an airplane.
In this nation, people have confused the term separation of church and state to mean more than what it was originally intended. Just like you are doing with the verses from Deut. Marriage is from the bible.I felt this way before I was saved, and after. This has all been diuscussed before, go and read the threads. Your starting to get it. I am not saying that it is now, but back then it was permissable to do it. It what was needed to keep the people in line.There is such an easy answer to this, and that is don't rape, and don't cheat. Only bad comes from it, so why do you support it? Thick thick and more thickness. I am a harsh Christian. There are times that I refuse to sugar coat anything for you guys. But that doesn't mean I don't love you.
The point of the verse, for the 100th time, is if she enjoys the rape, then its not really rape is it? You all have agreed with me, yet you think you disagree with me.
The devil has won the battle in making the concept of cheating seem ok to you. But Jesus will win the war.It seems to me we just have had such a history of softening our laws to the point that people can now get away with murder.
You may think its not right now to stone a woman for cheating, but tell me a woman cheating is right.

Yes I agree too. Yes, nothing ever changes like I pointed out. My stance is that I believe in God, and the bible contains God's word. Because we need to see how the rules were relative to the day, find the moral, and then see if it still applies. Don't just go by the literal translation. Yes, but it wasn't considered degrading. Woman was created for the man. That does not mean you can mis-treat her. In fact in means the opposite, and God gets pissed if you do not treat them right. He won't even answer your prayers if you are mis-treating your spouse. Yes I agree. But from their perspective of the time, the woman was not a victim if she enjoyed it. AW, come on, I thought it was funny. Maybe or maybe not. Like I said Jesus is the most important thing to me in the bible anyway.But so far everything I have read, and studied, there is an explanation for. Its all about knowing the times.Actually through this conversation, I think I have revealed a plan of the devil, one that took thousands of years. I will start another thread on this. Me niether. But I explained every rule that was presented so far, and it was relative to the times. I do not have a problem with the literal meaning of the rule for that time. I also do not have a problem with the moral meaning of the rule for this time. You see all that, the way you put it, takes on a meaning different than what the bible means.
Where does it say you can't get a tattoo?
As far as ham goes, Jesus taught us it is not what goes in your mouth, but what comes out.He knew that we would figure out how to make eating pork safe, because of refrigeration, and curing. Back then it wasn't safe, and a lot of people died from it. Thats why it wasn't good to eat it then. God didn't want you to die from eating it.As far as any punishment goes, Jesus also changed that. He pointed out that a woman who was cuaght cheating was about to be stoned. He asked all those who were going to stone her, if anyone here is guilt free enough, or righteous enough to proceed with the stoning, then go ahead, they all left.So yea, stoning a woman for cheating is ok. But who on this planet is righteous enough to do it. Not me. He made us realize we just can't do it, and we will have to forgive her.

Well yes and no, I guess. You don't need the actual book, but the word of God can be preached and you can be saved, without reading the bible. It happens on a daily basis. To further understand it, the bible is a tool in doing that. God has been giving us instructions from day one.But really all we need to do is follow Jesus's 2 commandments, Love your God with all your heart, and love your nieghbor as you love yourself. If we all followed that, we would be ok. That still goes on today. Cleary you are smart enough to see that it is not from God. You also can see that is not a good reason to not believe in God. I agree with that. I continue to do research. That is part of the reason I am in here, testing my faith. I read up on all that is put forth before me, and the word of God has held up for 8 months now, and 1300 posts. No one can know it all. This is were I am at right now. I think (think) that being saved, and being in constant communication with the Holy Spirit, I have a good understanding of where God is coming from. It brings clarity to all those crazy bible verses that people take literally and out of context. It puts me at an advantage being filled with the Spirit of God. Before when I didn't have that spirit, I would think like you and a lot of others in here. Incorrect, I pointed out that nothing has changed. Its in the bible. Thats what the devil has everyone believing, but that is not how it is. The heaven is open for us right here and now. Jesus came down and opened it for us. The real kingdom of God is right here in this forum. I do not do that. But should I condone sin? Thats just nitz. This world is so crazy. Knowing God, I do not feel that people who do all the bad things you speak of, and "claim" they are Christian, are in fact not really Christian.

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Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

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This is truth /\ He is speaking of people controlled by the Holy Spirit, and slave to righteousness. I here ya. I sometimes have difficulty expressing my thoughts in a pure form so that the message is clear enough for people. I am working on it. I mean well. Being in this forum, and talking with all of you has helped me a lot.But by the same token, expressing the word of God, to those who have it so twisted, takes many writings, and many thoughts to be expressed and cleared up. We are limited by the speed of typing and reading and understanding.I also notice people are so blanketed by the devils confusion, they could read an answer, then ask the same question again. Its like people do not take the time to comprehend it. Its like speaking before thinking about what you should say.

You and many others are trying to compare the moral act of being gay, with the literal meaning of Deuteronomy verses.The verses that speaks of a woman not screaming has a moral. Everyone has over looked that moral, for whatever reason.The moral of being gay then, and now is the same.
The moral of a woman cheating on her husband, is the same now, as it was then.The literal meaning is of no value when trying to understand God's will for us in the bible.The punishments for both have changed That is because no one is righteous enough to carry it out. We are unable to judge, and punish, even though we still try.

*sigh*
I am out of breath.You are a woman, you are in a tent, there are tents around you with God loving people that would surely rescue you should you scream.
You are being raped, do you scream?*edit*
I am not digging a hole as mush as you are piling dirt on top of me.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 11-14-2004 09:33 PM

The law is good by nature. We are not.
We are also not good enough to carry it out.

No, its just one take on the subject but not the definitive answer.The answer is that evil is bad, and should be erraticated, but we are not righteous enough to do it.I am free of my suffering of days gone by, by the suffering contiues day to day. I do have faith in God that it will al make sense one day, and there will be victory.I rejoice in my trials and tribulations, because I know there will be victory in the end. The sooner we give it to God, the sooner the victory. This happens to me on a daily basis.

Since the trouble is still there, I have to suffer to a degree, but there is victory in trials. The hard part is looking into the future and seeing the victory. Trusting God that it will happen. Then not really worry about it.

Nice, you still don't get it. You never will its your choice.

See you don't get it.If I quote the bible, that doesn't make me responsible for what it says.

Great, more words in my mouth. I never claimed to understand the OT. I claim to know God's word.

You are going to have to go back and read all the threads on this topic. A gay person wanted to know where in the bible it says its a sin.But I guess it was really just to find out who thinks its a sin, since they do not accept that the bible says it is a sin. Its so simple. Your asking me to use the same words to describe womething different. That goes against what you are trying to say. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.A man and a woman, is not the same as a man and aman, and that is not the same as a woman and a woman, my father is not a mother, and my mother is not a father, and my father is not married to my father, and my mother is not married to my mother. Well since your so aware of that, then I have done what I came to do.
I will not win anyone, you will win yourself. When you said the moral of stoning a woman is sick.

OMG dude. No wonder you are an atheist.

Is it your guide in life?
Thats why Jesus gave us him.