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Topic: Big Bang - Big Dud
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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How can someone live without a purpose for living? Think hard. Again, I'm under no obligation to address your failure of imagination.
I'll change my question. What happens after you die? Not on topic in this thread.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Knowing it is there
So something can come from nothing? How does this apply to the Big Bang? Remember when you said this?
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The main reason why I see the Big Bang as a dud is because there's no scientific law that allows something to come from nothing.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Knowing it is there
Notice that I asked a question, not made a statement. Then notice that your own statement answers your question. If you didn't think a physical law that allows or prevents something to come form nothing had anything to do with the Big Bang, then why did you say it did?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Knowing it is there
Trying to convince an evolutionist of God's creation is like trying to convince a blind man that your shirt is red. We're not like you, Bear. Unlike you we don't let dogma determine what we will or will not believe. If you have evidence of God's creative act that can withstand scrutiny, then I will believe. I promise you that. Will you make the same promise? If we can show you evidence of evolution that can withstand the best attempts of creationists to knock it down, will you accept evolution? I doubt it, but maybe you'll surprise me.
Energy can't be created (by natural laws) or destroyed. In a classical universe, you would be right. We don't live in that universe. We live in a quantum universe where, in fact, you can create energy from nothing, provided that you create opposing energy at the same time, so that the net energy gain is zero.
If the example of virtual particles is true then we can just throw out the first law of thermodynamics, right? Funny that the only one who seems to believe that vacumn tension energy violates thermodynamics is you. Why do you suppose that is?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Knowing it is there
The gain is zero. nothing has been gained. Yes, exactly. Now tell me - what's the total energy state of the entire universe?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 196 of 287 (185184)
02-14-2005 3:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 195 by sog345
02-14-2005 3:16 PM
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Nothing turned into dead matter and that dead matter turned into living matter. What, exactly, do you propose is the difference between "dead matter" and "living matter"? For all you imply it can't happen, we observe dead matter become living, and living matter die, as often as we sit down for a meal. It's all matter. I don't see what the difference is. Can you explain it to me?
found something to marry,(that's a pretty good trick) "Marry"? I presume you mean "sex", right? Did it escape your notice that the majority of life on Earth is asexual?
I would like to here how you personally think we got here. What, here on Earth? I don't know about you but I was born here.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 199 of 287 (185198)
02-14-2005 3:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 197 by sog345
02-14-2005 3:29 PM
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I would like to here how you think everything got here (the universe, planets,humans,etc..) It got here because the laws of physics work they way they do; if they worked a different way, other things would be here. Why are the laws of physics the way they are? I don't know. Maybe they can't be any other way. This isn't one of the questions that keeps me up at night, though.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 202 of 287 (185236)
02-14-2005 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 201 by sog345
02-14-2005 5:26 PM
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Who made the Laws of physics? What makes you think they were made?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 206 of 287 (185241)
02-14-2005 5:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 205 by sog345
02-14-2005 5:33 PM
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There has to be a law giver. Why? If the laws of physics can't not exist, there needs be no one to give them. You'll have to prove that the laws of physics are contingent; and since there's never been any observation of a place where there are no laws of physics, the burden on you is considerable.
Things don't just come about. Sure they do. Are you saying that nothing random ever happens?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 236 of 287 (216110)
06-11-2005 8:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 232 by Pro Terra
06-11-2005 12:26 AM
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Nuclear reactions convert matter into energy not destroy it. Which, if you'll read, is exactly what I said.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 244 of 287 (221305)
07-02-2005 9:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 242 by randman
07-02-2005 1:30 AM
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Re: it all came from nothing, eh?
So crash, he doesn't know what he is talking about but hey, it all came from nothing somehow makes sense....? Who said anything about nothing? How could you even have nothing? How could nothing even exist?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 254 of 287 (233253)
08-14-2005 9:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 248 by gnojek
07-28-2005 8:30 PM
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Re: I'm sorry if this has been addressed.
The huge release of energy is the binding energy of the nulceus, not matter becoming energy. According to the little I know about nuclear reactions, the end products of both fission and fusion are less massive than the sum of the original reactants, so I think you're mistaken. Or I could be.
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