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RedVento
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Message 1 of 116 (18424)
09-27-2002 11:25 AM


http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/09/26/creationism.evolution/index.html <--- The bible belt must put the stupid in people real early for this to have happened.

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frank
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Message 2 of 116 (18434)
09-27-2002 12:37 PM
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09-27-2002 11:25 AM


This is an issue not only in Georgia, but in other areas as well. The debate has also made the news in Ohio and Kansas, although I find the Cobb County decision to be more general in nature than the debate in Ohio which specifically addresses "Intelligent Design".

The statement made by the school board can be found at:

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/0902/27johnston.html

I'm sure we will see a lot more about this.

Clear Skies !

Frank


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RedVento
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Message 3 of 116 (18436)
09-27-2002 12:44 PM
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09-27-2002 12:37 PM


Well its not as bad as I had hoped. However this comment I strongly disagree with :
quote:

Religion has no place in science instruction, but science instruction need not offend those who hold religious beliefs of whatever type.

While they are right religion has no place in science instruction, science offending people because of religious beliefs is not a problem of the school board. That is the problem of those being offended. If they cannot seperate their belief systems from scientific education that is not societies problem.

Still glad to be a Northerner
Red


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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 4 of 116 (18437)
09-27-2002 12:47 PM
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09-27-2002 12:44 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by RedVento:

Still glad to be a Northerner
Red[/B][/QUOTE]

Well I am a Southerner (Born in Atlanta GA) and I am PISSED . Looks like we have to waste time and resources and fight this BullSh!t battle yet once again. I am going back to the lab to calm down a bit.

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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz


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RedVento
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Message 5 of 116 (18446)
09-27-2002 4:03 PM
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09-27-2002 12:47 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Dr_Tazimus_maximus:
Well I am a Southerner (Born in Atlanta GA) and I am PISSED . Looks like we have to waste time and resources and fight this BullSh!t battle yet once again. I am going back to the lab to calm down a bit.

Time for you to move north of the Mason/Dixon line(sp?)

Then again we are talking about a region that wants to have the confederate flag flown and there are countless jokes about non-branching family trees...

From the Land of Northern Aggression
Red


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nos482
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Message 6 of 116 (18450)
09-27-2002 4:48 PM


They were talking about this on the CNN show 'Talkback Live' today and most of them don't have a clue of what they were speaking about. They kept using the old "It would only be fair" claim. Man being evolved from apes (We share a common ancestor with the other primates.) and the like. As I've stated before, science education in the USA is a joke.

Plus, one of the guests, Curtis Elder, wants to privatize the school system so that they can teach whatever nonsense they want. If science education is a mess now wait until that happens. Here is one of the new subjects to be taught as fact; Flat Earth Geology 101: Don't go near the edge.

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frank
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Message 7 of 116 (18454)
09-27-2002 5:29 PM
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09-27-2002 4:03 PM


Red and Nos,

The following link is a forum from the AJC looking for feedback on the school board decision :

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/cobb/opinion/decisionforum.html

From what I can see, the replies are mostly from local folk and seem to be running about 2:1 against the board's decision. (There may have been more posts since I was there.)

The board's vote was unanimous. The school board is elected, so maybe a better indicator of local sentiment would be to see how many members are re-elected in the next election (although I believe not all members run every year).

Clear Skies !

Frank


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gene90
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Message 8 of 116 (18668)
10-01-2002 12:50 AM
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09-27-2002 4:03 PM


Why is Southerner-bashing so politically correct?
It's one of my pet peeves in fact.

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Tranquility Base
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Message 9 of 116 (18672)
10-01-2002 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RedVento
09-27-2002 11:25 AM


RV

What you call stupid others call common sense.

Creation is a possibility for the origin of life.

You really think it is out of place for a teacher TO BE ALLOWED to say: 'Although we will mainly talk about evolution of course it is possible that life was created by a higher intelligence. Here's some evidence . . .'?

Your blindness far outweighs any supposed stupidity on our part.

Why do our kids have to have evolution forced down their throats? You may think it is a fact. I disagree and so does about half of the US.

[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 10-01-2002]


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 10 of 116 (18681)
10-01-2002 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RedVento
09-27-2002 11:25 AM


I cannot believe this. That anything of pseudo-science and clearly based of "religious" belief would make their way into scienc classrooms as science.

What a shame.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 11 of 116 (18682)
10-01-2002 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dr_Tazimus_maximus
09-27-2002 12:47 PM



I am pissed too. Well, we have always won this battle everytime the battle has had to be fought. The Supreme Court will uphold this oon as they have always done so.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 12 of 116 (18683)
10-01-2002 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 1:04 AM


BECUASE HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY THIS RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN SCHOOL.

AND EVERY TIME YOU MENTION THE DANG HIGHER POWER, YOU ARE MENTIONING A POWER GREATER THAN HUMANS, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT? GOD? EXACTLY. AND SCIENCE DOES NOT CONCERN ITSELF WITH FINDING OUT WHETHER GOD EXISTS OR DOES NOT EXIST.

Okay, better now. "I disagree and so does about half of the US.", WHERE DOES THIS QUOTE COME FROM? Is it a fact gleaned from one of those religionists magazines? Hmmmm. Think twice on this before beliving this statement is credible.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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Tranquility Base
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Message 13 of 116 (18684)
10-01-2002 2:38 AM
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10-01-2002 2:28 AM


Anne

Sorry to have touched a raw nerve there but don't you think teaching evolution only is entrenched 'naturalism only' brainwashing? Of course it is. If a teacher can't say - here's evidence that 'God' created then that is pandering to the religion of 'no God'. There are at least two possibilities for how we got here. You're trying to withold one of them from kids. There are plenty of scientific reasons to suspect that 'God' was involved in the origin of life on Earth. If you don't believe that then the brainwashing sure worked on you.

The science of origins concerns how we got here, not how we got here only by natural means.

And over half of the US believes that God had something to do with creation. And over half believe that evolution may not be true.

[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 10-01-2002]


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The Arachnophile
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Message 14 of 116 (18692)
10-01-2002 5:10 AM
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10-01-2002 2:38 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Anne

There are plenty of scientific reasons to suspect that 'God' was involved in the origin of life on Earth. If you don't believe that then the brainwashing sure worked on you.

The science of origins concerns how we got here, not how we got here only by natural means.

And over half of the US believes that God had something to do with creation. And over half believe that evolution may not be true.

[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 10-01-2002]


But it doesn't matter what people believe when it comes to what should be taught in science class! Only science should be taught there, and no matter how many times you claim ID or creationism is science, it will not make it so. Many people believe in ghosts too, should that be a part of religious teaching?

If you understand how the scientific community works you would realize that pseudoscience or bad science does not survive for long because of the very nature of the scientific method and the self-regulating properities of the system. Creationism, ID and other pseudoscienstific "disiplines" have never made it as scientific displines,despite claims to the contrary. Until someone can use scientific methods to back up their creationist claims, creationism should be kept out of science class.

The Arachnophile


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nos482
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Message 15 of 116 (18704)
10-01-2002 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 2:38 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Anne

Sorry to have touched a raw nerve there but don't you think teaching evolution only is entrenched 'naturalism only' brainwashing? Of course it is. If a teacher can't say - here's evidence that 'God' created then that is pandering to the religion of 'no God'. There are at least two possibilities for how we got here. You're trying to withold one of them from kids. There are plenty of scientific reasons to suspect that 'God' was involved in the origin of life on Earth. If you don't believe that then the brainwashing sure worked on you.

The science of origins concerns how we got here, not how we got here only by natural means.

And over half of the US believes that God had something to do with creation. And over half believe that evolution may not be true.


Speaking of being brain washed. For the last time, creationism isn't a valid "alternative" to Evolution for the very fact that creationism isn not and never will be science, it is religiously inspired pseudo-science. Evolution is not about god or how life got started, you moron. You must be one since you just can't (won't) get the idea.

To be fair, as seems to be your excuse for imposing your religious beliefs on all, the schools will also have to start teaching astrology, alchemy, Flat Earth Geology, and an Earth centred solar system as "Alternatives" "just to be fair" since many people still believe in these things. Plus they are also going to have to teach ALL creation myths as well, just to be fair, and there are over 150 of them. What are YOU afraid of?

Over half for and against? You should learn math as well.

Maybe the students should call Miss Cleo to get their marks so the can decide if they should bother studying as well?

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