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Tranquility Base
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Message 31 of 116 (18780)
10-01-2002 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Mammuthus
10-01-2002 9:58 AM


Mammuthus

Gravity and QM work just fine. QM works to over 10 decimal places.

Macroevolution has not been demonstrated at all let alone quantitaively.

Please stop confusing macroevoltuion with proven natural selection. We have no problem with you brainwashing kids with Galapogos and finches. It's where you try and push that natural selction (or anything else) has been proven to have generated the genuine novelties that distinguish higher taxa that we claim unjustified brainwashing.


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Mammuthus
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Message 32 of 116 (18813)
10-02-2002 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 11:36 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Mammuthus

Gravity and QM work just fine. QM works to over 10 decimal places.

Macroevolution has not been demonstrated at all let alone quantitaively.

Please stop confusing macroevoltuion with proven natural selection. We have no problem with you brainwashing kids with Galapogos and finches. It's where you try and push that natural selction (or anything else) has been proven to have generated the genuine novelties that distinguish higher taxa that we claim unjustified brainwashing.


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I am not confusing anything TB. Your second sentence is highly confusing as you claim it is ok to brainwash kids which nobody should be in favor of. Schrafinator's message 30 says basically what I was thinking so I will refer you to it regarding macroevolution. You ignore the evidence for it and then repeat that nobody has addressed the issue. Sadly for creationists evolution has more support than either QM or the theory of gravity. If kids want to learn about creation myths let them get it in church on their own free time..I would encourage them to learn lots of different ones since there are some really interesting ones...I like the Yaqui myths regarding energy. But they should not be taught in a science class anymore than alchemy or astrology should.

cheers,
M


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nos482
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Message 33 of 116 (18826)
10-02-2002 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 11:36 PM


Originally posted by Tranquility Base:

Mammuthus

Gravity and QM work just fine. QM works to over 10 decimal places.

And the same could be said for Evolution as well. We just don't know exactly why they work as they do that is why they are called a theory, yet can still be considered facts.

Macroevolution has not been demonstrated at all let alone quantitaively.

Got a few thousand years or more to wait?

Please stop confusing macroevoltuion with proven natural

You're the one who is confused.

selection. We have no problem with you brainwashing kids with Galapogos and finches. It's where you try and push that natural selction (or anything else) has been proven to have generated the genuine novelties that distinguish higher taxa that we claim unjustified brainwashing.

It's conspiracy I tell ya!!!!!


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 34 of 116 (18855)
10-02-2002 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 2:38 AM


Tranquility Base,

Sorry it has taken this long to reply, I have been so busy and have just a few minutes.

First off, it is not the matter of asking a question of whether we are brainwashing the kids or not, what the question is, is what we are teaching based on sceintific principles within the domain of questions that science best answers.

And, I do remember reading Nos482 reply to this message. If we are going to get creationism in, then we need to teach all the creation myths as well. Oh My Gawd, TEACHING MYTHS IN A SCIENCE CLASS, what the heck has science come to, when we get to that point. I fervently hope that things will not get that bad.

"And over half of the US believes that God had something to do with creation. And over half believe that evolution may not be true."

And would you know that "believers and the Church" believed that the planents and sun revolved around the earth, and it was only a few who believed opposite? Could this be a lesson. And besides, everybody believes in gravity, the laws of conservation of mass and matter. Why? Becuase it is true based off evidence. You cannot prove myths. I am not saying that did not happen, it could have, but science concerns itself with what we are debating. And anything outside of science's concern, then is outside and has not merit in the eyes of science.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 35 of 116 (18856)
10-02-2002 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by gene90
10-01-2002 7:17 PM


Well, well, well,

If you would actually think about your arguments and things, and honestly try to consider what we are saying instead of spouting something that you have learned and may not necessarily believe. Then maybe I will quit shouting.

But, these points have been made over and over and over again not just by me but by others in the forum. And, I am getting tired of typing the reply to your points over and over and over again.

So, yes I was quite a little frustrated when I say the point being made by T.B. which has been dealt with over and over and over and over again.

Get the point???????????? Get's tiring.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 36 of 116 (18857)
10-02-2002 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by nos482
10-01-2002 8:17 AM


Nos482,

I sure do. It is quite entertaining how stubborn some people can be. Wonder what more amusement lies in the dark places of this forum. Guess, I will have to go and find out.

Nice post, in reply to T.B. message that was a reply to my message number 16.

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 37 of 116 (18858)
10-02-2002 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Tranquility Base
10-01-2002 8:33 AM


T.B.

"I listed the survey results to tell you why this is happening in the US. People who vote for boards are the same people who fill out belief surveys"

What kind of impartial study is this? What is your definition of impartial. Of course you ask the "believers" you leave out a substantial porportion of the U.S. This survey is not credible.

And in regards to your statements that were not mathematically accurate, I would be ashamed. Any standard book that is high school level in probablity or statistics might be helpful. And then, while you are at it, you might want to pick up some books on the fine points of debating and also survey conducting.

Crikes, nice use of words, when we corner you, you just come up with something more ridiculous than your last point. I am not even going to waste my time, in replying to your last point becuase you are failing to get the point - CREATIONISM IS IN THE RELIGIOUS MAGESTERIUM, do not ever mix these two, esp. when we are just interested in how the world began, and screw who did it!!!!!. If someone did it. Becuase if they did, well then they should have done a better job of leaving good evidence behind. What a wonderful "Creator" that we have, who has left nothing behind.

"What kind of God do you serve"?

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 38 of 116 (18859)
10-02-2002 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by RedVento
10-01-2002 12:36 PM


RedVento,

Thank you for posting this. I noticed that our brilliant debator T.B. has not replied to this message. Is she realizing the futility of her position yet?

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 39 of 116 (18860)
10-02-2002 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by nos482
10-01-2002 12:40 PM


Nos482,

Well T.B. has not said anything to your post or the last post before it. That is wonderful, or is she asking the little blue fairies for some more of the "scientific" inspiration?

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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acmhttu001_2006
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Message 40 of 116 (18861)
10-02-2002 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by nos482
10-02-2002 8:05 AM


LOL

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Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day


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RedVento
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Message 41 of 116 (18872)
10-02-2002 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by acmhttu001_2006
10-02-2002 12:13 PM


quote:
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
RedVento,

Thank you for posting this. I noticed that our brilliant debator T.B. has not replied to this message. Is she realizing the futility of her position yet?


Exactly.. I am really wondering if creationsists can be honest with themselves about their motives for NEEDING to be created by god.


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nos482
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Message 42 of 116 (18879)
10-02-2002 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by acmhttu001_2006
10-02-2002 12:02 PM


quote:
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Well, well, well,

If you would actually think about your arguments and things, and honestly try to consider what we are saying instead of spouting something that you have learned and may not necessarily believe. Then maybe I will quit shouting.

But, these points have been made over and over and over again not just by me but by others in the forum. And, I am getting tired of typing the reply to your points over and over and over again.

So, yes I was quite a little frustrated when I say the point being made by T.B. which has been dealt with over and over and over and over again.

Get the point???????????? Get's tiring.


I think that the main reason why creationists keep spouting the same nonsense is that after awhile they think that we'll just give up and then they can declare a victory over us. That if they say something enough times it will become true. Or, all it takes for something to be true is for them to say it.


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nos482
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Message 43 of 116 (18880)
10-02-2002 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by acmhttu001_2006
10-02-2002 12:05 PM


quote:
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Nos482,

I sure do. It is quite entertaining how stubborn some people can be. Wonder what more amusement lies in the dark places of this forum. Guess, I will have to go and find out.

Nice post, in reply to T.B. message that was a reply to my message number 16.


Maybe we should ask Miss Cleo if (s)he'll ever see the "errors of his/her ways"?

[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-02-2002]


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nos482
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Message 44 of 116 (18881)
10-02-2002 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by acmhttu001_2006
10-02-2002 12:13 PM


quote:
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
RedVento,

Thank you for posting this. I noticed that our brilliant debator T.B. has not replied to this message. Is she realizing the futility of her position yet?


Yes, {s}he's a master "de"bator. (The pun loses some of its punch with the word Mistress.)

[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-02-2002]


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nos482
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Message 45 of 116 (18882)
10-02-2002 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by acmhttu001_2006
10-02-2002 12:14 PM


quote:
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Nos482,

Well T.B. has not said anything to your post or the last post before it. That is wonderful, or is she asking the little blue fairies for some more of the "scientific" inspiration?


She? I thought that I was speaking to a guy.


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