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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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dsv Member (Idle past 4754 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
I believe that the Bible makes it pretty clear that if you do not believe in the Resurrection, then it doesn’t matter how nice a person you are, you are going to Hell. That seems pretty wrong on any level. There are a great many very beautiful people in this world who do not believe in the resurrection, or Jesus for that matter.
Can we be saved from just being nice to each other? Personally, I don’t think so because according to God’s Word we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23 ). And the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Rom. 6:23). What about very good and influential people who pride themselves in their culture and understanding. The Dalai Lama, for example. Before we knew the global communication infrastructure that we're accustomed to now, there was no way of knowing about the Jesus resurrection supposedly going on in one part of the world at the time. Does that mean all those people went to hell? There are still areas of Africa where people are born and die without much or any contact with cultures apart from their own. Are they going to hell? Who holds the responsibility then? Do you have to get to these people before they die and they automatically go to hell or is it their job to somehow "wake up" and realize there was a Jesus who rose from the dead, even though they have absolutely no idea how to even pronounce "Jesus" or that there is a Rome, or a United States, or advanced water filtration systems. edit for typo This message has been edited by dsv, Sunday, June 12, 2005 01:39 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm willing to give it a try.
First, I think that everyone will be saved, Christian and Non-Christian unless they really screw up. I also disagree with the assement that GOD is cruel. So, what order would you like to proceed? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-14-2005 06:17 AM
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let's start with screwing up. I believe that the idea of original sin is not something that is the result of the Garden of Eden and some Fall. Rather the story of the Garden of Eden and the Fall are simply the recognition that all mankind is capable of doing both good and bad.
I believe we all screw up regularly and GOD well knows we will. Most screw ups are minor and IMHO will be forgiven. The ones that will be a problem will be those that we persist in committing. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Pretty good summary. I look forward to watching you defend it.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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dsv Member (Idle past 4754 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
This is lunacy! Where are the cameras? Am I being Punk'd?
Think of all the Hindu, Buddhist and Jewish spiritual leaders throughout history. This kind of gross intolerance and pure hate makes me sick and I respectfully disengage from this discussion. I appologize. Good luck.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-14-2005 06:18 AM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-14-2005 06:19 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
the first sin was against God, the creator of all life ALL sin is against god. but seriously though. sin is missing the mark, or straying from the path. how can you sin or not sin if you don't know good and evil? if we don't know the mark, or know the path? what adam and eve did ALLOWED for sin, but could not have been sin itself. quite simply, they didn't know any better. but they certainly did afterwards, didn't they? so they hid.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Am I being Punk'd? yeah, i'm curious too. brian never struck me as a fundy.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-14-2005 06:19 AM
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Except that is not at all what happened.
Let me ask you a question. Can animals, cows, dogs, sheep, sin? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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