What makes so many people hate God

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
I made a terrible mistake in my last posting. I apologise that was ridiculous. What i said i said in anger and pride. Two things clearly mocking to my own beliefs. Woe to me.

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Well, if you actually mean what you say here, then I am impressed.Well done.

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
The only one slinging mud is you, schweetheart.

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Another in the never-ending supply of religious nuts whose faith is so weak that he can't apply logic to it without getting amazingly defensive and abusive.

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I don't know if that was a really fair comment. I have been reading posts on this board and have experience at others and it is not just "religious nuts" [your term, not mine] that get angry when their belief system is attacked.

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I never said that onlyreligious nuts get defensive.The author of the rant in question came on the board swinging, asking, "Why people hate God", so I don't feel too bad about being less than gentle in response.Please note that no one was attacking the belief system; they were submitting the particular claims of this poster to logic and reason.In general, I don't think that John and the other atheists and agnostics here really care what people believe, but if those believers choose to attempt to justify their beliefs through reason, logic, or science, all bets are off.

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For some reason though, from someone who professes a faith in God, it is not acceptable ...

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Not true at all. See above.What is not acceptable is abusiveness and poor debating. There are several evolutionists on this board who also believe in God, including the founder.

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The problem with this medium, is that we cannot hear each other's tone of voice. What may have been typed with humor comes across on the other side as intense sarcasm and a personal attack.

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I agree that it's more difficult, but are you actually telling me that the rant in question was meant to be humerous?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:

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A comment by Chara:
The problem with this medium, is that we cannot hear each other's tone of voice. What may have been typed with humor comes across on the other side as intense sarcasm and a personal attack.

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I agree that it's more difficult, but are you actually telling me that the rant in question was meant to be humerous?
[/B][/QUOTE]No, I am sorry to have left that impression with you. I was making a general comment about the medium itself. Sometimes I forget that I'm the only one that knows what I'm actually thinking when I type.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chara:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:

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A comment by Chara:
The problem with this medium, is that we cannot hear each other's tone of voice. What may have been typed with humor comes across on the other side as intense sarcasm and a personal attack.

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I agree that it's more difficult, but are you actually telling me that the rant in question was meant to be humerous?
[/B][/QUOTE]No, I am sorry to have left that impression with you. I was making a general comment about the medium itself. Sometimes I forget that I'm the only one that knows what I'm actually thinking when I type.[/B][/QUOTE]Don't worry; that's why I asked for clarification.

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Originally posted by mark24:
Funk,

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Why do you believe in the "spiritual" if you cannot test it?

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Mark

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Faith. i know that makes no sense to you but that is the answer to what you asked------------------
saved by grace

i am truly sorry for the rant being the author. it was as i stated before ridiculous. if i could completely strike it from the record i would like to. this is to be a debate and i should expect an attack on my point of view that is the idea of debate. believe me i feel even more stupid than you probably think i am after that outburst.------------------
saved by grace

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Originally posted by mark24:
Funk,

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Why do you believe in the "spiritual" if you cannot test it?

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Mark

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I know this question was asked of someone else, but correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true that no one has ever actually seen an atom ... or am I remembering wrong. And if I am remembering correctly why do you believe in them? You can perform experiments that can give indirect evidence of their existence and thus we believe that they are real.We observe that we have thoughts and feelings. That we each have an inner life that is not observable by others unless we tell them. But therein lies the problem, Science (at least from my understanding) is the process of gathering observable data to formulate laws about the natural world, its not something that is observable by others, but only as an experience unique to ourselves. Ack! I think I'm getting myself lost here. LOL .... I just discovered this article, Reflections on Consciousness and Transcendence and thought it might have something to add to this discussion.

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Originally posted by Chara:

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Originally posted by mark24:
Funk,

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Why do you believe in the "spiritual" if you cannot test it?

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Mark

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I know this question was asked of someone else, but correct me if I'm wrong, but is it true that no one has ever actually seen an atom ... or am I remembering wrong.

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Absolutely right, BUT the hypothesis that atoms exist is a hypothesis that can be objectively & deductively tested. [B][QUOTE] And if I am remembering correctly why do you believe in them? You can perform experiments that can give indirect evidence of their existence and thus we believe that they are real. [/B][/QUOTE]Yup, see above. [B][QUOTE] We observe that we have thoughts and feelings. That we each have an inner life that is not observable by others unless we tell them. But therein lies the problem, Science (at least from my understanding) is the process of gathering observable data to formulate laws about the natural world, its not something that is observable by others, but only as an experience unique to ourselves. Ack! I think I'm getting myself lost here. LOL .... I just discovered this article, Reflections on Consciousness and Transcendence and thought it might have something to add to this discussion.
[/B][/QUOTE]But feelings, emotions etc. are subjective, not objective. If you are going to allow your subjectivity to guide you, then you are limited only by your imagination,rather than evidence.Do you think any "truth finding" method that allows this is going to produce reliable results?Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mark24:But feelings, emotions etc. are subjective, not objective. If you are going to allow your subjectivity to guide you, then you are limited only by your imagination,rather than evidence.Do you think any "truth finding" method that allows this is going to produce reliable results?Mark[/B][/QUOTE]Did you read the article Mark?

Chara,Yup. Did you read my last post?Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

Or the two versions of creation in Genesis?can you please clarify this for me. i know nothing of a second version of creation. thanx------------------
saved by grace

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Or the two versions of creation in Genesis?

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can you please clarify this for me. i know nothing of a second version of creation. thanx

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The first version begins Genesis 1:1. This is the 'Elohist' version, so named because of the author's prefered name for his god.The second version begins Genesis 2:4. This is the 'Yahwist' version, so named for the same reason as above.Notice the distinct difference the order of creation. Take a good read and get back to me.Also, for a quick intro:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/torah/creation.html------------------
http://www.hells-handmaiden.com

will do thanx------------------
saved by grace

Chara - way back, you asked me:

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If you don't call this passage of Scripture a fairy tale, or literal history, what is your view?

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No webpage found at provided URL: http://freespace.virgin.net/karl_and.gnome/genesis.htm should answer your question.

Found it. It goes:"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. RobertsFrom a damn good site (http://www.geocities.com/...ook/8597/Evolution/evolquot.html).Although it doesn't mention who Stephen F Roberts actually is (was).