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Author Topic:   What makes so many people hate God
logicalunatic
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Message 214 of 225 (27308)
12-19-2002 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by funkmasterfreaky
11-08-2002 12:56 AM


1) Hate God? I feel the same way about Christians and God as you do about children and Santa Claus. We humor childrens' belief in Santa Claus. We don't think he actually exists (He Might) yet we continue to allow our children to believe in him untill they either figure it out for themselves or we finally disabuse them of the belief.
Works almost the same way with Christians and me. I don't know if he exists (He Might) because there is no evidence pointing in either direction. In my opinion Christians have had this belief long enough and if they haven't figured it out for themselves they need to be disabused of it. Not because God isn't real but because we don't know if he's real and, whether he is or not can't be tested.
2) Why don't I believe that God exists? Believe me, I would love to have a big brother watching my back but I'm not going to believe that until I see some evidence. And an out of date book touting God's realness based on itself as evidence is NOT evidence.

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logicalunatic
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Message 215 of 225 (27311)
12-19-2002 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by gene90
11-09-2002 7:06 PM


quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
Plus, for the sake of argument, what if somebody made an experiment out of it and did a statistical analysis of the result? For the sake of argument, what if they found out the prayer made a difference? Wouldn't that eliminate your claim of it being unfalsifiable?

Sorry, I'm coming into this a little bit late BUT...
Does prayer make a difference? That can and has been tested. The most influential of these tests can be read about here.(long) Of all the studies I've found on prayer, the only ones that pass scientific muster are inconclusive.
Does prayer make a difference? That can be tested and a hypothesis about whether or not prayer works is falsifiable. What can't be falsified is the idea that God answers prayers. More than likely, when you pray for something small to happen and that small thing does in fact happen, the outcome is determined either by chance or by your actions and not God's.
If you want something, why do you have to, "meet God half way?" Have you ever read the book Where the Red Fern Grows? In the book the main character prays to God for the two red-bone coon hounds that he saw in the paper. He ended up getting the two puppies after two years of hard work and then attributed his gain to God's will. He claimed that God gave him strength to work as hard as he did to get the cash to buy the pups. Isn't it possible that it was merely his belief in God that gave him the strength? That sounds much more likely to me.
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logicalunatic
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Message 216 of 225 (27312)
12-19-2002 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by funkmasterfreaky
11-10-2002 4:11 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
Funk,
Why do you believe in the "spiritual" if you cannot test it?
Mark

Faith. i know that makes no sense to you but that is the answer to what you asked

Then I have a question for you... What makes you trust faith?
LogicaLunatic

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logicalunatic
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Message 217 of 225 (27316)
12-19-2002 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by funkmasterfreaky
11-21-2002 7:09 PM


The bible has stood through more attacks then any other book. Why? because it completely contradicts the world view.


No thats not why. The Bible and Christianity are still around for two main reasons...
  1. Most Christians have been told that this story is the Truth from a very young age. Kinda like brainwashing. Imagine what would happen if we didn't disabuse children in their belief in Santa.
  2. After being fed this story they're told by the Bible and their elders that they have to have faith and that they won't find any evidence from the material world. Christianity and the Bible wrap themselves in this kind of insulation.


I don't think any other book in history has been combed over to the extent of the bible and yet it stands. Why? because it is God's word.

Nope, see above.
LogicaLunatic

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logicalunatic
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Message 218 of 225 (27339)
12-19-2002 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by logicalunatic
12-19-2002 2:24 AM


Well, it appears I have come too late I always find it very annoying when I read all the way through a thread and have it basically come to a conclusion and then some FT starts replying to posts from the very beginning.
Whoops...
LogicaLunatic

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