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Author Topic:   What makes so many people hate God
David unfamous
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Message 145 of 225 (23541)
11-21-2002 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by funkmasterfreaky
11-21-2002 4:50 PM


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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Foolishly i allowed you to run me around into that but I was asking you what basis you had for this hatred of God.
One has to believe in the existence of God to hate God. And it is only those who believe the Bible, or other scriptures, to be the word of God who feel God's word is being mocked.
As an atheist, if I ever criticise passages from the Bible, I feel it to be no worse than criticising, or questioning, any other text from any other source.
Just as any other book has it's fair share of critics, I would expect the biggest selling, most widely distributed, book to recieve the most criticism.

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David unfamous
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Message 149 of 225 (23661)
11-22-2002 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by funkmasterfreaky
11-21-2002 7:09 PM


[quote][b]To deny God is to hate him in my opinion. (note my opinion)[/quote]
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How can I hate that which I deny? I don't hate God, as I don't believe him to exist. Therefore your opinion is incorrect.
[quote][b]I agree with you that the bible can be picked at as much as any other book. Go right ahead.[/quote]
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I don't make it a priority in my daily life. The Bible has no importance to me whatsoever.
[quote][b]You won't be the first, and like all the rest you will pass away and the word of God will continue.[/quote]
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As will the works of Shakespeare, Nabokov, Tolstoy, Joyce etc.
[quote][b]It has been predicted before that the bible was on it's last life, that it would soon be completely discredited.[/quote]
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Like Santa Claus?
[quote][b]Voltaire (who died in 1778) once said that within 100yrs of his passing Christianity would be wiped off the planet existing only in history. Kinda funny Volataire is history, and Christianity and God's word are still here.[/quote]
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It was a foolish prediction that I personally would never make. And I believe your argument to have a hint of ad hominem. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[quote][b]God does have a sense of humor too you'll find as within 50 yrs of his death the Geneva bible society used Volataire's house and his press to produce a stack of bibles.[/quote]
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More like the Geneva bible society thinking they'd scored a 'point' against atheism.
[quote][b]The bible has stood through more attacks then any other book.[/quote]
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. Do you mean all the errancy claims within the Bible have been disproven, or that those who believe it to be the word of God put their fingers in their ears when confronted with such evidence?
[quote][b]Why? because it completely contradicts the world view.[/quote]
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What exactly is the world view?
[quote][b]No one likes to know that they are born into sin, there's nothing they can do about it.[/quote]
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I know that I am not born into sin. That's their problem, not mine. Why do you assume the 'world' thinks that?
[quote][b]Not only attacks of criticism, how many times has the bible been physically attacked, attempts to burn them all and destroy Christianity have failed over and over again.[/quote]
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Burning of flags and books is a past-time of the fanatic. Don't include me in that demographic.
[quote][b]I don't think any other book in history has been combed over to the extent of the bible and yet it stands.[/quote]
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Only in the eyes of the Christian.
[quote][b]Why? because it is God's word.[/quote]
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Same answer as above.
[quote][b]It would seem to me to that more and more descrepencies and arguments against the bible have been proven wrong. The list against the bible grows smaller and smaller as we go. Why? because it's true.[/quote]
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For example?
[quote][b]It is my personal opinion that attacks on the bible are a desperate attempt to disprove something that doesn't fit into world views.[/quote]
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It is my personal opinion that science and reasoning are attacked because they don't fit into the Bible's 'view'.
[quote][b]btw i don't feel inclined to factually defend all my views this is after all in the FAITH and BELIEF section not science.[/quote]
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Then why do you continually attempt to use what you believe to be facts to press your views? I'm sure you'd be one of the first to quote science if it were in your favour.

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David unfamous
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Message 153 of 225 (23668)
11-22-2002 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by :j: Lizard Lips
11-22-2002 6:51 AM


LL gives a very good example of ad hominem indeed.
It's a shame that some people here resort to an all-out personal attack when they feel their argument threatened.
Ugly. Very ugly indeed.
[This message has been edited by David unfamous, 11-22-2002]

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David unfamous
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Message 165 of 225 (23717)
11-22-2002 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by :j: Lizard Lips
11-22-2002 11:37 AM


You're not really doing yourself any favours Lizard Lips. Please turn off the CAPS LOCK, and calm down. Ranting and cursing doesn't work.
As for the core messages in your posts, I'm starting to think you cannot comprehend atheism. The mere notion of a person not believing in the existence of a God or Gods is lost on you. This prompts you to make confusing and contradictory accusations.
For example: YOU ACT LIKE A GOD. PUTTING YOURSELF ABOVE ALL OTHER GODS. YES YOU DO YOU HATER OF GOD. (ANY GOD).
It is impossible for an atheist to put himself above God, or hate God, if he has no belief in God. Not your God, not someone elses God, not any God at all.
If you want to get at John (or me). Read to what we have to say, think about it hard, and show how you feel our arguments falter. Going psycho does not work.
Peace.
EDIT: Listen to Chara - advice for everyone, religious or not. (what he said, not listening to him )
[This message has been edited by David unfamous, 11-22-2002]

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