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Author Topic:   Did Adam and eve really have a choice?
iano
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Message 201 of 219 (249465)
10-06-2005 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by nator
10-05-2005 8:53 PM


Re: We meet again
Schraf writes:
But I have exactly the same knowledge of good and evil as God, so I have used that ability (which is the same as God's) to judge His actions.
How do you figure 'exactly the same' God said "like" or "as" one of us. "Like" is not the same as same. As fit "as" a fiddle is not the same as being a fiddle.
Therefore, the fact that he killed EVERYTHING on the planet,
You think God was unjust but you're measuring according to your standard of just not his. By his standards he is just. What basis have you for suggesting that your standard exeeds or is fairer or better than his?
Why does God need to repent if he hasn't made a mistake?
Again Schraf, your using your standards for him. What does it mean when God repentath. How can you know the mind of God and what he means by it when he says such things.
Can you see your position as it is: a created being who is of a lower order than your creator. What created thing can be of an equal to that which created it? It appears to be a logical impossibility yet this is what you do all the time - demand equallity - nay superiority. "My created idea of justice exceeds his, my creators, sense of justice. But where did you get any sense of justice if not from him? How could your sense of justice be more correct than that of the person who created you.
Is the conflict that rages in you not indicative that your sense of justice, working within much narrower confines, is a fallen one.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 202 of 219 (249468)
10-06-2005 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by nator
10-05-2005 9:00 PM


Re: We meet again
Schraf writes:
I do not think that someone who rejects science in favor of a 2000 year old nomadic sheepherder's religion is in any position to be playing the "logic card" at this juncture.
What science am I rejecting? What does "2000 years", "nomadic", "sheepherder" and "religion" do to indicate that something isn't logical?
No subjective answers please - that wouldn't be science

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 203 of 219 (249471)
10-06-2005 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by nator
10-05-2005 9:12 PM


Re: We meet again
Schraf writes:
...a major source of needles guilt and shame, justification for persecution, genocide, slavery, torture subjegation, sexism, racism, and all-around injustice...
What about the god you appear to worship - Science. Shall we take a look at some of the downsides there??
As with science Schraf, the way it is applied is wrong - it is not wrong in and of itself. Wouldn't you agree.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 204 of 219 (249474)
10-06-2005 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Heathen
10-06-2005 10:43 AM


Re: Impartial believer? I don't think so.
Lets beg to differ then
C U around...
Cheers
Ian

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