What makes you think I fear death?
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Isn't that what you said? We all fear death, and you don't expect me to expect you to ignore that fact?
What I actually said was that fearing the unknown, including death, is part of the human condition and I implied that this is why many of us tend to cling to belief systems which give us "ultimate absolute answers" reagardless of that belief having no rational basis in facts.
I do not particularly fear death, personally, as an individual.
That's why the entire scientific method and peer-review system is designed to be a powerful, sophisticated, illogic and bias detection system.
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Then why did we think no 2 finger prints are the same for so long?
Because science, being a human-run endeavor, is not perfect.
But we did, eventually, correct ourselves, right? It was continued application of the scientific method, and nothing else, which led to the correction of this error, right?
..and that strongly suppors my claim that science is a very good tool to use to detect bias and illogic. Sometimes it takes a while (because humans are using the tool) but it can get us closer to the truth about natural phenomena if we use it properly.
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Maybe its the other way around. It's not we believe in fairy tales to satisfy our fears of reality. It's we believe in reality to satisfy our fears of the unkown and spiritual.
Well, I do believe that some people are addicted to drama in their lives and the spikes in adrenaline that come with it.
You DON'T think skeptically nor scientifically about your religious experiences, rat, that much is clear.
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How so?
You immediately jumped to the "Godidit" conclusion WRT your laughing incident.
What happened, and what you interpreted and perceived about what happened are two different things, rat.
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It was unexplanable, regardless of what I think it was.
Ooooh, spooky! It must feel pretty exciting to have all of these "unexplainable" things happen around you, eh rat? Makes your heart beat a little faster, doesn't it? Feels pretty powerfully emotional and special, right?
Did it ever ocur to you that just because YOU are not able to come up with a mundane explanation, doesn't mean that there isn't one?
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We can examine it if you like. Go ahead, ask me a million questions about it. It either was God, or it wasn't. I remain open to an explanantion, what's not scientific about that? For now my theory is that it was God. You can't prove a theory right? What am I doing wrong?
You have been given several alternate explanations, but you have rejected all of them. I strongly suspect that you are going to reject any and all alternate explanations.
You experienced the situations through the misty cloud of emotion and personal bias. There was nothing that anyone could even remotely call "objective" in your recording of the event.
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Emotion had nothing to do with the unexplanable. You obviously didn't read the story right, or gather the facts correctly. go back and read, and lets make a list of the facts, and why they can't be explained.
So, people rolling on the floor, laughing, has nothing to do with emotion?
Your just having had a spiritual experience with your fellow believers had nothing to do with emotion?
There are no emotions connected to your spiritual beliefs or faith at all?
The fact that you think you are somehow immune from your biases just shows how deeply devoted you are to keeping hold of them.
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Thats not a fact, you just made that up, because if you go back and read, you will find out, that I am asking for an explanantion. Even a hypothesis will do, or a theory as to what happened.
Group spiritual experiences greatly heighten emotions.
Laughter is infectious.
You are jumping to the wrong conclusions about causes.
You are indulging in post hoc reasoning and confirmation bias.
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Our ability to determine things is based on how we gather facts, and from the looks of it, your not doing a good job.
Well, MY point is that you, due to your bias, did a poor job of gathering facts, and you are do determined that God HAD TO be the explanation that you are blind to any other explanation.
See, YOU were the one that was there, rat. YOU are the one who should be trying really hard to come up with any other explanation than Godidit if you want to show that you are thinking about this objectively and not just jumping immediately to Godidit.
But you aren't trying. You have already made up your mind, and then you have the gall to expect US to explain to you how God wasn't making everybody laugh.
That's how you don't think about these things objectively, rat.
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Maybe your perception isn't what it should be, and you are clouded with preconcieved notions of God's existance. The devil is a liar, and there are layers of deception in our minds Schraf. You will have to start uncovering those to get to the truth.
Oh please, you get backed into a corner and now you drag out the Devil?
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I am not immune from my own biases. I have figured that out already about myself many years ago. Everything you think to be right can in fact be wrong, I don't have a problem with that.
Well, that's not entirely true.
Bias can be corrected for to a great extent. You can test for bias.
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