Evolution for Dummies and Christians

Carico. You didn't answer my questions. I have no alterior motive here. You are jumping to all these conclusions and it's making me feel like you aren't listening to me.Look, just answer yes or no. We can talk about all the ramifications later, but I need you to at least come this far with me. If you don't come at least this far, you won't ever understand the ToE. Further, you will continue to look foolish even to people who hold similar beliefs to yours.Again, yes or no.Random mutations occur?A population of creatures (chihuahua and great dane) can become so different from another population that they can no longer interbreed?

Great. So we agree. Random mutation occurs.And you can also see how one group can change to the point where it can no longer interbreed with a previous group?Please answer this question as well.Once we agree here. I can explain to you how random mutation works.This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-08-2005 10:04 AM

I can agree with that, sure. There are many factors that go into gene copying. We certainly can't pinpoint them all! So yes.I am also a determinst. So I don't see a problem with your view on this So now, the population change issue. We now agree that a population CAN change to the point where they can no longer interbreed with the previous population?

Definitions: ABE: An 'order' is a mid-level taxanomic rank. Traditionaly it follows directly after the higher-level rank 'class' (though there are finer grained ranks in-between). An example of a class would be mammalia 'mammals' an order would be 'primates'. A rough equivocation would be "types of mammals" though, of course, the distinction is much more technical than this.Clear? Anything anyone else would like to add?This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-08-2005 11:23 AM

Hey Carico. we aren't this far yet. Did you read the other question yet? Message 259If you can reply yes to that, I will be happy to explain the rest.

You wouldn't even begin to be able to grasp this concept unless you first had a basic understanding of genetics. So far you have shown to have no concept as to how genes work, how they are copied, the meaning of 'random mutation' or 'genetic drift'.If you can't even understand those concepts how in the world do you expect anyone to give you an answer to your question?So again, do you agree that a group of animals can change enugh to the point where they wouldn't be able to breed with a previous group (Chihuahua and Great Dane)?I have shown you a specific case where all the variables are known. We bread the creatures in question thrugh selective breeding. A Great dane, for all practical purposes, cannot mate with a chihuahua. Do you understand now that this is possible?If you do, we can move on.

Carico, you are now demonstrating a compleat lack of understanding concerning the scientific method. You also, apparantly, have no clue what the word 'theory' means: A theory is something designed to explain facts. The fact that life changes over time is undisputed, the theorie that currently explains it is the ToE.Gravity is also "only a theory". It's based on the fact that things fall down when we drop them. Should we chastise physicists now?From the dictionary:

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the·o·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thr)
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1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

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Here, you are entirely wrong. Infact, everything in science so far, has done nothing but contradict the bible. If the bible is to be taken litteraly your beef is not only with biology but physics, astronomy, medicin, etc.This message has been edited by Yaro, 12-08-2005 04:02 PM

you arent listening to anyone are you? Which wolf possesed the traits of a bulldog?