Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Death Penalty and Stanley Tookie Williams
Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 120 of 166 (270330)
12-17-2005 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by arachnophilia
12-13-2005 3:54 PM


Re: My changed mind
capital punishment is an act of frugality. the real reason it's around is because it's cheaper.
WOW, are you ever wrong on that one! Capital punishment is EXTREMELY expensive compaired to life inprisonment.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 23 by arachnophilia, posted 12-13-2005 3:54 PM arachnophilia has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 125 by arachnophilia, posted 12-17-2005 3:52 PM Nuggin has not replied
 Message 126 by Silent H, posted 12-17-2005 6:34 PM Nuggin has replied

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 121 of 166 (270331)
12-17-2005 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by bobbins
12-13-2005 8:21 PM


Capital Crime Down
And since 1976 have capital crime levels dropped? I didn't think so.
Actually, capital crime, along with all other crime, started a nice decline in the early 90s as a result of abortion being made legal in the 1970s

This message is a reply to:
 Message 37 by bobbins, posted 12-13-2005 8:21 PM bobbins has not replied

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 122 of 166 (270333)
12-17-2005 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 10:06 PM


Re: Revenge
What's the problem with revenge, exactly?
An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth leaves everyone blind and gumming at their food.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 42 by crashfrog, posted 12-13-2005 10:06 PM crashfrog has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 129 by macaroniandcheese, posted 12-18-2005 12:56 AM Nuggin has not replied

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 123 of 166 (270334)
12-17-2005 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 10:29 PM


Re: Revenge
What is justice if not revenge?
It's not revenge when you are jailed for theft. I doubt that the store owner is saying "Ha! I got my VCR back! Now spend 5 years in the clink!"
Revenge is you hurt me, I hurt you back. Justice is you hurt that guy, we decide what's to be done with you.
You can not have justice if the injured party is allowed to participate in the doling out of punishment. They are unable to judge what is fair treatment.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 44 by crashfrog, posted 12-13-2005 10:29 PM crashfrog has not replied

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 124 of 166 (270335)
12-17-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by coffee_addict
12-13-2005 11:11 PM


Re: Revenge
Interesting graphs.
Note that they all show a decline in crime in the early 90s.
The book "Freakanomics" goes into excruciating detail linking that crime decline to the legalization of abortion.
It's a lot of math reading, but it's definitely an eye opener.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 50 by coffee_addict, posted 12-13-2005 11:11 PM coffee_addict has not replied

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2522 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 128 of 166 (270406)
12-17-2005 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Silent H
12-17-2005 6:34 PM


Costs of death penalty vs life
Here's one study. There are many more. I got this one from deathpenatlyinfo.org
$ Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:
The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.
(Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred for Death Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections) Read DPIC's Summary of the Kansas Cost Report.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 126 by Silent H, posted 12-17-2005 6:34 PM Silent H has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024