What makes so many people hate God

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Originally posted by :j: Lizard Lips:

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Common john, why do you think he dont want to discuss this with you?Maybe your just too bullheaded and snide, and he tiars of your lame responce to his posts. (just a thought, Jerk)
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You are behind the times aren't you?"Dont" needs an apostrophe. "Your" is missing an 'e' as well as an apostrophe. "Tiars" and "responce" are both misspelled.

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What the hell does steven Kings books have to do with the dam question at hand John?!
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Well, Funkie and several other posters here figured it out. Let's say we let you try again.

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The above a contradiction to your own beliefs John..what the hell does this disprove..omg your a jerk!
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I thought that I was lacking in the belief department? (Though not in the briefs department )What belief does this contradict? And, what makes you think I was attempting to disprove something?

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Father of Jesus?!! Again john you take even the very contradictive steps to your own demise by twisting this verse.
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Have you read your Bible lately? There are plenty of references to Jesus as the son of Joseph. That by default makes Joseph the father, adoptive father perhaps but still father. If you had taken the time to pay attention, you would have noticed that nowhere in the thread did I dispute the adoptive status of Joseph. That has just been assumed for the sake of simplifying the discussion.So basically, you are having a cow for no good reason. But its funny.

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Again John, you disbelieve the bible, but you put your trust in the words mere men write..whats sup wid dat?
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Hate to break it to you but the bible is just a bunch of words that men wrote. But you believe it? What's up with that?

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One is easily lost quickly John, when one doesnt study the word of God. As in your case.. geek.

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Call me on some particular bit of Bible study. I seriously doubt you even know the basics.And, thanks. I am a geek.

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JOhn, just because a man is OLD< does not mean the subject he studied
all his life isnt true/right//what is meant here, is: A man that has studied the bible all his life must find some truth in it, and He is right in what he has studied in that what he has studied be it either a text of old/or recently learned studies. Twistin again JOhn..ya twisten it again ...jerk
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Did you miss the part were Funkie made the long-study==must know something argument and I corrected it with the illustration which you have just criticised? In short, it is a stupid argument. That is eactly the point.And as for your clarification.... WOW!!!! Is that even English?

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Well john, you sureidly cant have an opinion of the bible if you havent studied it fully...and what is this authority you speak of john, is it you god forbid? Round and round john goes where his twisting of post gooooooo?
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Did I dispute that one ought to have studied the bible before debating it?Is the authority me? Why would funkie appeal to me as an authority? Maybe you should pay attention. The claim is that funkie is appealing to the authority of some-old-bible-scholar. This is a fallacy.

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John, john, john,, now now, be mature...leave words like crap to me, i am an authority on thoes type of words. See..when you say: crap in reply to this nice mans post, you are really saying you dont have any authority in the word of God, because you qualify it as crap in your heart. PLease let me use your own words against you as you do so many others. Tho it is the word of God, but not your word, it is also reason that you should volenteer to not comment on these type of posts. Believe me, you will sleep better, and leave the world of God to those who will listen.Because you sure don't care to. You just bring it down once again...the proof is in the pudding.. (your reply).
Big jerk.
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I can't have an opinion because I don't assume that the Bible is true?Sad really....

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John, you analyze too much. Inhale, exhale,count to ten john. There, now go find another hobby..ummm maybe fishhhen will do ya good.
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Thanks for that insight. And I love the meditation. Isn't that pagan?Oh, and thinking is a bad thing in your opinion then?

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John, (you dont have a hatred of God?!!). Then what was it that the CRAP responce to the bible was all about then eh? Dont tell me that hogwash. Simply by not believing in something can be hate in its self.
If it is noun, then you make it personal..an that is to a God that does existh john. Watch what you say, cause God is listening.
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That was about the bible. Did you miss that? Is the bible god? If no, then I was not discussing god? Besides which, I don't hate the bible either, I hate what happens when it is put on a pedestal as if it were something it isn't-- ie, the infallible word of God.

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john, if you were dying of thurst, and i said there is water up yonder, and to follow me, would you die or believe first and follow me to the water? Oh , yeah.. i for got you are a jerk so you would rather die of thurst. What a jerk.
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We aren't talking about thirst. That is something of which I have some experience.We aren't talking about water. I also have some experience in that department.We also aren't talking about climbing a hill. I have some experience there too.So you are telling me that I am thirsty with a thirst I don't feel, for a substance I have never seen, on top of a hill that isn't there? Pretty silly...

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Jesus was born without sin, and the blood line he came from was to show his nationality..jewish..hence the favor of the jewish people.
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hmmmm..... you don't know your prophecies very well. What was that about needing to study the bible?

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Hence He is the messiah foretold in th OT.
The old testiment was all about showing his forthcomming .
you are such a jerk john..
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Yep. And the OT outlined certain condition so that we could recognize him when he got here. Jesus didn't meet those conditions.

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Hence you are a farce john
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It should be easy to prove me wrong. So why don't you try?

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Oh believe me john.. it is very clear that you are a complete jerk!
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You start off clever and just get better and better.

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right? whats right john? you lost me completely john.
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You'll get used to it.

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Maybe you dont have anything you can be overwhelmed above you john.
except your jerkness..geek.
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Overwhelmed above me?

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Yet ANOTHER snide remark from someone who claims to know the
completness of the Holy Bible..but is bent on his own understanding.
ie: John the complete jerk.
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Snide? Funkie and I are having a nice conversation.

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now that you are a grown man john, can we suggest that you grow up and instead of just seeing what happened in church, to go there now and learn this time?

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You mean so I can be like you?

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And since you dont believe in God, why do you think that the same should be taught in bible college. (a place we will never see you in lol).
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
The O.T was a very carefully taken care of scripture. The Jews had people who's lives where dedicating to maintaining, recopying, even counting syllybles of the scriptures to maintain that they stay correct.

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Do you have a source for this? It sounds like apology to me, no offense. It also contradicts the internal textual evidence that the OT was edited, rewritten, and hacked to death.

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Most of the early Christians were jews and knew the O.T very well.

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Well, it certainly started out as a jewish cult. But notice that within a short time it became predominantly gentile. I suspect that this is because it DOES NOT track very well with Jewish law, despite the NT protestations to the contrary. Jesus and the disciples wrecked Jewish law while claiming to 'fulfill' it. I'm not surprised that Jew are still waiting for Messiach.

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It was the basis of everything "the Law" you learned it as a child memorized and studied, these people had a pretty good concept of who God is (they were God's people)giving them a good basis to decide which of the new epistles and letters were in sync with the God they knew through jewish law and history.

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But these very early Jewish converts were not the ones to choose among the epistles and the letters. This was done two or more centuries later by gentile converts-- ex-pagans if you will, even practicing pagans in at least one case.

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Now, that very wordily and poorly said.

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Nah... not bad at all.

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As far as these internal discrepencies i haven't found anything to shatter my faith.

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Never underestimate the power o' faith eh?

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Valid statement i don't know my bible as well as i should and i make some bold claims that i can't back sufficiently alot. This discussion forum has made me really look at that.

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Despite what some here believe, I care more about getting people to think about things than I care about changing anyones's mind. Actually, I care most about people forcing me to think about things.

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Oh and no John i don't hate the wicked witch of the west. How can i hate something that doesn't exist?

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Originally posted by forgiven:
for the record, Jesus came to fulfill the law in the sense that thru him all law has been satisfied..

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I know the dogma, forgiven.

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the gospel message is, among other things, that the law is dead and we are dead to the law... paul explains why the law was given and when (and why) it is no longer necessary

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Right. The GOSPEL message... My contention is that this message does not track well with anything in the OT, from which this message is supposed to have been deived. And that this is why it never took a strong hold among Jews. Notice, even, that the person you have explaining this is writing some century plus after the fact and isn't a Jew.

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even in the very early days, jews didn't understand this, they couldn't see how grace alone was sufficient...

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Why should they? It is contrary to the core of their religion. That such a radical alteration is a 'fulfilling' is weird, bordering on irrational.[qutoe]they asked the same question millions ask today, "can't i save myself even a little?"...[/quote]The whole of Jewish religion was based upon works and results in the here and now. Suddenly, this is fulfilled via being completely turned on its head? With, in fact, NO precidents in the OT?

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this led to a schism between some very influential people within the christian community, most notably being james the brother of Jesus and paul...

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So who was right?

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this goes a long way in explaining why gentiles made up and make up the majority in the christian church... they don't have the same hang-ups regarding the law, thus seem (some) to understand how it isn't applicable to the christian life

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Well, pretty much my point though skewed towards the positive side.

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if you want me to i'll be glad to discuss the purpose of the law and why it isn't even a factor any longer...

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Originally posted by logicalunatic:
Sorry, I'm coming into this a little bit late BUT...
Does prayer make a difference? That can and has been tested.

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And prayer failed, at least in this study. The article that got my attention is here: Error------------------
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