Why NOT Christ Lineage through Joesph's boodline, Instead of Judah's

OK:I as the starter of this thread I would like to say something:WOW!!! Thanks to all who have replied/discussed/spoken of/about/ toyed with etc, the subject.My Purpose: WHY DID the Lineage NOT GO THROUGH Joseph instead of Judah??WHY? There is specifically somewhere in the Bible that tells Why Joseph could not be the bloodline?Any thoughts, OR did I miss that somwhere in the LONG thread, I have read so much in the last hour I think I either totally missed it or it did not get answered...???Help please.

Yes, there is.The bloodline as given from Joespeh is not theproper blood line. If you look at 1 Chronicals 22:9, to be of the bloodline of David, you have to be decended through Solomon.In Jeremiah 22:24, you will see that anybody who is decended from Jeconiah is cursed, and therefore can not be a 'Son of David' so to speak.The lineage of Matthew for Jesus has Joesph being decesnded from Jeconiah. Therefore, by the lineage of Jesus by Joesph, he could not have been the messiah.

i'm also pretty sure i answered it pretty thoroughly (with references) in my first post.

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What about trusting your own ability to read?You can see for yourself that Jesus has no bloodline to Solomon, yet you ignore this, why do you ignore it?Have you made up your mind that Jesus was the messiah and you are going to ignore anything that demonstrates that this is untrue? How can anyone live like that? It is your life I suppose, I would just find it dificult to follow a faith that I know contradicts itself. If I was going back to Christianity I'd need to sort Jesus' bloodline problem out, as well as a lot of other things about him. God's revelation shows that Jesus was no messiah, unless you do not consider the Old Testament to be God's revelation?Or, is the Old Testament only to be taken as true in certain places? Just hijack another cultures scriptures and then butcher them into fitting a preconcieved notion about some guy? Well, God seems to have made a promise to David, a promise that you are willing to ignore to keep Jesus in a position he did not earn. It isn't me who promised David anything, you can read the promise yourself. It is there in black and white, Jesus has no bloodline to Solomon, and you ignore it.Isn't the human mind a wonderful thing, it allows us to believe anything we want despite the evidence.Cognitive dissonance I believe it is called.Anyway, carry on.Brian.

Unfortunately your question is unclear.

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My Purpose: WHY DID the Lineage NOT GO THROUGH Joseph instead of Judah??

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Judah was the royal line. Are you asking why the messiah was to be born through the royal line or why Joseph didn't end up as the royal line?Joseph wasn't the royal line because Jacob gave the blessing to Judah. (Genesis 49:8-12) Why did Jacob give the blessing to Judah and not Joseph? I don't think the Bible really explains that.In reality one big reason is that the author of Genesis 49 was from Judah.

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There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

Brian, Your basic requirement that the Messiah must be a descendent of Solomon is false. The Messianic king to establish David's throne forever does not have to be a descendent of Solomon.I don't know from what psychology text you unearthed the term "cognitive dissonance" but the biblical word for your attitude is "antichrist.""Who is a liar if not he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)" ... even now many antichrists have come; whereby we know that it is the last hour" (2 JOhn 2:18)There is no cognative dissonance on my part here. But you display the spirit of an antichrist. And you do not have the evidence that the Messiah must be a descendent of Solomon.This message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 07:04 AM

Ramoss, "Behold a son will be born to you. He will be a man of rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies around him, for Solomon will be his name, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel throughout his days." (First Chronicals 22:9)Which part of this verse makes this next verse invalid?" ... the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,

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Concerning His Son, who came out of the seed of David according to the flesh, Who was designated the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness out of the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord" (See Rom. 1:1-4)Where is the contradiction such that 1 Chron. 22:9 makes Romans 1:1-4 impossible?This message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 07:31 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 07:31 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 08:11 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 08:16 AM

Ramoss,David's son Solomon is qualified to build the house of cedar wood for the name of Jehovah. He is qualified to fulfill that prophetic portion of God's promise to David.But Solomon is not qualified to be the ultimate messianic king. Neither are God's hands tied so that the Messiah HAS to be a descendent of Solomon.God will be true to Himself and will not allow His hands to be tied by one who disobeys Him. He has the wisdom and the authority to fulfill His promise to David's seed without being limited to the descendents of Solomon."Then will a throne be established in lovingkindness, And upon it One will sit in truth in the tent of David,

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Judging and pursuing justice and hastening righteousness" (Isaiah 16:5)Solomon had a good beginning. But he had 600 wives and 300 concubines which led him into idolatry. Solomon's wives led him into worshipping foreign gods. This was clearly sin in the eyes of the God of Israel.So Solomon cannot be the ultimate fulfillment of the seed of David who hastens righteousness. Nor was he the one of whom God said "This is my Son in whom I have found my delight"All of the patriarchs and saints of the Old Testament did not completely satisfy the will of God to the uttermost. Many of them were very good. But none of them were perfect until Jesus Christ.This is why Jesus Christ said when He is here something greater than Solomon is here. And something greater than Jonah is here. And something greater than even the temple is here. For Jesus was absolute for the will of His Father as no Old Testament prophet, priest, or king ever was."Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?

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But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here" (Matt.12:5,6)Christ is greater than the temple."Ninevite men will stand up in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold something more than Jonah is here" (Matt. 12:41)Christ is greater than Jonah."The queen of the south will rise up in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something more than Solomon is here" (Matt. 12:42)Christ is greater than Solomon.The ultimate Messianic promise is fulfilled in Jesus Christ who is out of the seed of David and is the Son of God. It is not ultimately fulfilled in Solomon who allowed his 600 foreign wives to lead him from worshipping the God of Israel for demon worship and idolatry.This message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 08:49 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 08:50 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 01-08-2006 08:57 AM

jaywill,Your posts Message 82 and Message 83 appear to be off topic. Please check the OP to be sure you understand what is the topic of this thread.

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You said a lot fo things.Except for the claim that 'God can do anything he wants', what is anything that is relavent to the blood line of the messiah and the bloodline of Joseph?You said that SOlmon had 300 wives, and a bunch of concubines..So, how does that deny the fact that the line of the David has to go through him according to the verses I had provided? How does that counter the verses that Joseph (according to Matthew) came from a cursed line?It doesn't.

Any chance of supporting this? I would appreciate biblical references. Many thanks. So, how do you solve the problem that I mentioned?Brian.AbE, the rest of your post is simple pointless religious fanatical ramblings that do nothing to further the discussion.This message has been edited by Brian, 01-08-2006 04:37 PM

Brian, The burden is on you to support your claim that because Jesus was not descendent from Solomon, He cannot be the Christ. Should I expect an antichrist to have another reaction to being exposed?

No insults, please.

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What have we been discussing for the past few days? is the reference is question a mistake on my part, and if it is, then why? Antichrist?I am following the Bible texts, I have done for a long time, I have no axe to grind. You can read the text yourself, or you can ignore it if you want, but the people who are really interested in the Bible will continue to study it with an open mind.Still no bloodline.Brian.

I dont take it as an insult.Jaywill's inability to refute just proves my rightness! (© WT)Brian.