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Author | Topic: Is it 'boring' being God? | |||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If He doesn't know which way you will choose, then He isn't omniscient, thus He isn't God. That's only true under the limited scenario you outlined in your OP. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
So, there is a possibility, IYO, that the Supreme Being is not omniscient?
I'm thinking back to my church days when we were told that God was the perfect being. If He is the perfect being, then perfect knowledge would be a given. Brian.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let me try an analogy. As you know, I'm a shooter. I have been known to carry firearms (with license of course where required), and so have the capability of using those firearms. Yet I don't use them.
Having a capability does not always mean one uses that capability. While there may be valid arguments about whether or not humans have free will, I cannot imagine anything that might be a GOD that would not have free will. GOD may well have the ability to know all that has happened, and all that will happen, but that does not mean GOD knows all that will happen. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Genesis 22:12
And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: FOR NOW I KNOW that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, TO KNOW what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. John 21 Three times Jesus asks Peter IF he loves Him ? Jesus asked because He did not know for sure. The question would be answered by the decisions Peter would make in life, that is if he would follow Jesus to martyrdom. IF you want to argue God omniscient THEN show me your source for information about God and make your case. The Bible says God's omniscience is imperfect in ONE small area as synonymously seen above. God is omniscient BUT it is delayed until His omnipotence can arrange circumstances to find out. When God said to Abraham "now I know" he was at least 120 years old. Calvinists: you are refuted. Ray
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
He gave up his omniscience, just as He gave up His only begotten Son.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
He gave up His only begotten Son. ? What do you mean? Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Let me try an analogy. As you know, I'm a shooter. I have been known to carry firearms (with license of course where required), and so have the capability of using those firearms. Yet I don't use them. But, this isn't an inherent feature. Knowing everything is part of being God. I see what you are getting at, and it would solve the 'problem', but if omniscience is an inherent feature of God then I am not sure if He has a choice whether He can not know something. Brian.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I am not sure if He has a choice whether He can not know something. Ah, but I do not pretend that I can so limit what GOD can and cannot do. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You know.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
If I knew I wouldn't be asking.
I really do not see the connection, can you expand please? Brian.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
"Why have you forsaken me?"
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Brian Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Psalm 22?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Brian writes: Did God create in order to try and entertain Himself? According to the scriptures, we are created in his image, meaning I would suppose, that our minds have some of the traits of his mind. We humans in our realm have aspirations about our future. We find pleasure in building our homes, decorating our homes and gardens, making things, taking a walk, communicating with one another, worshipping, smelling a rose, observing the beauty of gold, gems, animals, mountains, et al. I could go on, but you get the picture. Now, multiply the pleasure, satisfaction, achievement, energy and all the rest that motivates, inspires and blesses us by a factor greater than our imaginations can fathom. That's how fulfilled God is sure to be as owner and manager of the entire universe. Add to the above that God has countless creatures out there, some directly connected to his presence; some moving to and from his presence, fulling all the duties he chooses for them to do, et al. He, being the majesty of the universe also receives worship and praise from all conforming intelligent creatures. There are hints in the Bible that even the lesser creatures as well as plants have some kind of worshipping energy connected with the creator of them. Judging from the antics and appearance of animals as well as the fact that humans are created with humor and having the desire and ability to laugh, we know that God has a sense of humor. The Bible indicates such, including that God laughs.
Brian writes: Why did God create Satan? He not only created Satan, but he created all the fallen angels the beings many consider to be the demons of Satan of which the Bible speaks, both OT and NT. The OT refers to them as evil spirits. When he created all the angels, yes, he knew some would fall. But he knew also that most would not fall. He created them, like us, in that they had free will. With free will comes the ability to rebel an/or disobey. Thus, evil, but God always eventually uses the evil to effect ultimate good. He used the evil of Nazism to drive the European Jews to where he wanted them, back to Israel to prepare for the 2nd advent of Jesus, messiah and coming king for the kingdom of God on earth.
Brian writes: Why did God create humans when He knows many will refuse to acknowledge His son's sacrifice, thus He created them in the knowledge that they are eternally damned? Like the angels, God gave us free will, knowing some would reject salvation to be damned, according to Jesus and the apostles. (The demons/evil angels will be damned.) Like the angels, some will conform to and bless God. Christian who receive Jesus, i.e. his spirit which is the Holy Spirit, become born of God spiritually and become his children who then can call and should call him "father." He takes great pleasure in the prayers of his children and wants fellowship with them/us. We in turn are blessed as we pray to God through Jesus/lord/messiah/intercessor/priest. More later. Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Psalm 22? Ransomed!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Let me guess. You really do think God gave up his omniscience and that Jesus' cry "Why have you forsaken me?" shows that?
Answer: Jesus lived as a man while on earth, not as God.
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