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Author Topic:   Should Evolution and Creation be Taught in School?
nwr
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Message 20 of 308 (288675)
02-20-2006 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Murphy
02-20-2006 10:50 AM


Re: Duplication etc.
If 'life' could be accidentally started, and continued, in uncontrolled conditions, shouldn't it be possible within very controlled labratory conditions? I've been hearing about scientists working on this for 50 years.
You can't easily replicate the right conditions.
Maybe we could create the conditions in a test tube. But the early earth might have been the equivalent of a billion such test tubes, each being periodically replaced by another such test tube, and this continuing for maybe 100 million years.
If abiogenesis is highly probable, then maybe it could easily happen in the lab. If it is highly improbable, then it might need a vast number of experimental situations, repeated for millions of years, such as may have happened in the young earth.

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Message 22 of 308 (288713)
02-20-2006 2:17 PM
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Re: Duplication etc.
If I recall correctly, scientists had figured out many years ago what would have had to be included to encourage spontaneous life.
I'm afraid your recollection is a bit off.
Scientists have hypothesized what kind of conditions might have been present. Notice that is hypothesized and not figured out. There have been a variety of hypotheses, and they change with new knowledge.

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Message 26 of 308 (288746)
02-20-2006 3:39 PM
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Re: Duplication etc.
The scientists that I have read or listened to have been very tentative in their ideas about abiogenesis. They have, all along, been clear that they did not have a clear solution to the question of the origin of life.
Yes, panspermia (life coming from outer space) is another possibility often mentioned. That shifts the problem to one of how life arose somewhere in the universe.

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Message 72 of 308 (294444)
03-12-2006 8:48 AM
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03-12-2006 7:47 AM


Re: Creation and Evolution in Unification
But we can conclude that from the "design" of the primate, God might have copied the same, did a little modifications on it and created the Australopithecus. Then, copied the same design, modified it, created another, and so on.
If we teach that, we are teaching theology in science class. Moreover, it is theology that many theologians will disagree with. That gets the schools and teachers into a lot of unwelcome problems and controversies.

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