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OK, and so? If you want to call creation a doctrine and not evolution that went on before creation a doctrine, it is wrong. Great. My point exactly.
I'm confused. What evolution went on before creation? Are you talking about the idea that evolution happend and then God stepped in and directly created man? In any case, evolution is a doctrine in the same sense that math and history is a doctrine - it's something taught. Creation is a doctrine in this sense, but it's also a doctrine in the more usual sense - a religious doctrine. Evolution isn't.
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If you lump evolution in there, I lump creation. It is a two way street, not just your way.
Lump it in where? As something taught? Sure (as above), creation is a doctrine in the sense that it's 'something taught', but it's also a religious doctrine, which evolution isn't. By calling evolution a doctrine, you were trying to imply a degree of religiousity to evolution, which isn't correct.
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Here is a bible definition that should clear it all up for you.
"1. In a general sense, whatever is taught. Hence, a principle or position in any science; whatever is laid down as true by an instructor or master. The doctrines of the gospel are the principles or truths taught by Christ and his apostles. The doctrines of Plato are the principles which he taught. Hence a doctrine may be true or false; it may be a mere tenet or opinion. " (king James dictionary)
That's not a 'bible definition' - it's a dictionary definition. In any case, sure, in that sense evolution is a doctrine, just like math and history. Creation is a doctrine in that sense as well, but also in the sense of it being a religious belief.
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The majority of the people. Power to the people.
The majority of the people at the time of the formation of the US were Christian? Yes, but I don't get your point. So what?
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Religion in a sense of one denomination's pet ideas and doctrines. Especially evolution!
There is no such sense. Evolution is not a 'denomination'. Religion is limited to theistic ideas and beliefs - evolution is not theistic in any way.
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A fact most Christians agree with as well, but that fact does not include anything beyond creation!
I don't understand what you mean by this sentence.
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Any evoluting statred at or after creation. There had to be something to evolve.
Obviously evolution started after there was life - whatever form that life had, and however you believe it got here. You believe it was created by God - science can't make that conclusion. Regardless, once it got here, it began evolving.
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Going beyond the garden is absolute religion! Nothing before there was observed at all.
By 'going beyond the garden' I think you mean Eden? Are you again referring to the idea that evolution occurred before man was created in Eden? I'm a bit unclear here as to what you mean.
However, let me reiterate - there is nothing remotely religious about evolution or evolutionary theory.
Science is not limited to what it observes. It can - and does - observe consequences of things and from those consequences extrapolate what happened. That's what's the core of things like forensic science. Nobody saw Joe kill Fred, but thanks to forensic science we CAN see things like Joe's fingerprints all over the gun, his blood on the floor where Fred hit him, and so forth, that enables us to scientifically conclude that Joe killed Fred. In the same way, science can conclude many things without observing them.
Edited by toff, : Corrections