anti-abortion folks still get abortions

I am sure there are thousands of child support paying fathers that would disagree with that statement.

You justified people who are for abortion, like you know there motives. I don't think you can do that.What some of the responses in here have been are people who believe in laws, and follow them. Your either speeding or your not. Those people are hypocrites, doesn't matter what they really think about abortion, if it is murder or not. We already know it is murder. But this just makes the first thing even more worse. I know I speak from experience. One of the darkest moments in my life. But when you do it, you really don't know, because of how our society is dictating these horrendous morals. So you could even put me in that category with all the others that Joyce is talking about.Put aside all the political BS, and the abortion rights BS, and pro-choice advocate BS, what it comes down to is, I help murder a future child of mine. I did it when I was miether for or against abortion, now I feel diferently having experienced it first hand. That was 14 years ago, still hurts me to this day.

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I was a teen who had sex. And none of us in here are neurotic. lol NO, because I don't go around trying to judge people. Yes, it does. That is why people never go to phsycologists about sex. Getting AIDS and dying would seem worse to me, but thats just me. Provided what?Masterbation is ok to me.It didn't help John Holmes health, and it never hurt Magic Johnsons carreer.Ask any woman who has VD, or vaginal warts, or a yeast infection.Show some links to your outrageous claims. For every link you bring up, there will be a counter link showing just the opposite.

If your asking me if it is clear whether people who are against abortion, and actually get an abortion, do they think that it is not murder.What I am telling you is I can not answer that, and niether can you.Does it make their decision less worse if they feel it is not murder?I don't know that answer either, but it sure makes them look mixed up about it. From what I wrote about my own experiences with it, you can see how this world today can make you mixed up about it, until you actually do it.

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Sorry schraf, but buggering, infanticide, and taking females are not morals.The reasons for doing those things might be though.All those things still happen today.

I think I answered that question by saying that yes, being a hypocrite, and a child murderer is worse.But it has nothing to do with the actual issue.

Stoning a woman is not a moral.Stop taking things out of context, something you bible haters love to do.

It's all there.

You make a lot of good points, but I think you read into my statement a bit too much.What concerns me is that you relate your first sexual experience to being popped. Not that mine was any better, or was it all I think it should have been. It wasn't love, that's for sure.So all that just leads me to believe how sacred being a virgin really is.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-27-2006 07:18 PM

Aren't you off-topic now?

Well technically not desease, but health issues. Kind of the same thing. The point is holmes, that there is risk involved, and general very risky busniess, you like to argue it down to it not being risky or unhealthy to have sex.If it's so safe and healthy, then go have unprotected sex with a 1000 woman, and then talk to me.I understand all the points you make, but they are irrelevant to my point.Whgile technically sex does not cause HIV, it transfers it. If everyone stopped having sex, and doing drugs, on the planet for 100 years, it would disappear, Thats says a lot to it being part of the cause. Plus since we really just don't know how it evolved, it may have well been caused by sex initially. Still not the point though.Try to stay on the thought we are argueing not the technicalities, and our discussions will cover more ground.

I never said sex was the only cause of yeast infections, and my scientific knowledge is just fine thank you.Biology does not equal science.

Haha, I can't believe you said that.

You mean why isn't there?Yes, I've stated that being hypocrite is worse.But I've also stated that it is still not a logical arguement for abortion. What people feel about it, isn't actually what will dictate if it is right or wrong.My original comment was one of critizing Joyce for using this arguement, and to point out that the same case could be made for the other side. (Is this a strawman?)But, I do commend you, for your the only one to stay on topic, and have a rational debate about it, thank you.

There is no guaranteed method of protecting yourself, so I hope nothing ever happens to you. I did not know that, that is interesting. The human body wins out over science! So the rumor wasn't that far off.Plus your hang-up on the word cause, is unwarranted. Spread, and cause are practically synonyms. They share some of the meaning. I may have been improper in using the word cause, and spread would have been better, but I do understand the differences. These things are kind of obvious to me, and when I read other peoples statements.Hanging up on that word has caused/spread your thoughts to go completely off-topic, so I think we should stop right now. You took the meaning of one word, and debated it with me, and completely missed my point in doing so, and the topic of the thread.Spreading is an accessory to the crime, it would go to jail too.