anti-abortion folks still get abortions

You are avoiding answering the question because you know I am right. If they would survive, then they will survive. Willto survive is a saying, and it can apply to anything living. Living things on this planet do not survive because they don't want to. They do, because thats how things are. If you leave it alone, it will keep going, unless it gets sick, which is another story. As soon as you interfere, then you are the liable one. huh? Fire is not a living thing. It will go out, because you put it out, otherwise as long as there is fuel, it will keep burning, so yes, you can say it has a will to burn, if it didn't then it wouldn't burn, it would go out by itself, without interference.Let's cut to the chase. If a woman gets prenant, and there are no medical complications, will the baby be born?Whether it actually has a will or not, is irrelevant. It will eventually grow into something that has a will if it doesn't already have one.Does a sperm have a will to find an egg? Is it not intelligent life? Does not the egg only let certain sperm in?I have heard some crazy shit in this thread, and it makes me wonder. There seems to be no respect for life. People in this thread probably have more respect for trees than fetus.I wonder if anyone here is a member of PETA. In my mind that would make them into hypocrites if they were for abortion.If you abort it, you are liable.

A spelling error, and a twisting of words, and evolution are 2 different things again. You are confusing me. I am not talking about a medical decision. I don't care what goes on between you and your doctor. I care about people being liable for their actions. So did I. What I didn't understand is why a statement that has no relevance was even brought into the conversation by you. You are smarter than that.

That's nice, next time I kill my child, I'll ask the government and everyone else who gives a dam to stay out of it. I created it, I can do with it whatever I want, and it's none of your dam business.

IT is a very common saying. In the context I used it, it meant what I meant it to mean. You decided to pick it apart. Why not pick apart brennas comments about we chose not to lay eggs?The rest is just BS, I am done, I have made my point, like it or leave it.

No, there is no fundamental difference between the 2.They both rely on their mother for survival.Why not axe the kids head off, because he can't survive on his own?

I didn't say there was no difference.

I explained the fundemental similarity I was talking about.
You just took it out of context.

I guess researchers can't either, that's is why they use rats to test things to be later used on humans, because there is absolutly no similarities at all.Again complete argueing against something I didn't even say. I explained the fundemental differences between a fetus and a child. People say a fetus isn't life because if you remove it from the parent, or host, it can not survive on it's own. That is the spirit and contest inwhich we are talking, not some trick question about the differences between a rat fetus, and a human fetus. I am not a doctor, so it is not required of me to know the difference between a human fetus, and a rat. We are talking about human fetus's here, not rat's, so leave my fetus alone, it is irrelevent to the conversation. A rat's fetus is probably just as important to the rats survival, and a human one is to ours.You realize what your saying? Your saying that because I could not distinguish the difference between a rats fetus, and a human one, that murder is ok. What a logical arguement.The PETA joining, tree hugger, green peace liberal who is for abortion are hypocrites. All life is important, even thats rat's fetus. If you remove that fetus, then you have killed life.

Well then, the image was cleary not magnified enough, as there are huge differences (relatively) between the 2 beings. I wasn't even looking that close, I can see the tail now. I understand his point, but I countered it to show that it means nothing that the 2 look alike. But I agree.

That statement came from another thread really, where I asked someone who was atheist, and for abortion. I asked something to the effect if all life was important on earth, no matter how small it is. (he answered yes *edit)He thought I was talking about small creatures, and bacteria. But then I turned the response on him, and said everthing except a fetus.So really anyone that would go out of their way to defend a large mouth bass, and say that fishing is cruel, and then be for abortion, is just silly IMO.But would I use that to say that look, the pro-choicers are really for life, they stick up for trees, and kill fetuses, they stick up for fish, and whales but murder life, so abortion is bad!! No, my name is not Joyce whatever.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 04-03-2006 05:23 PM

The point I am using has nothing to do with what a fetus looks like, so arguing about what one looks like, or comparing one to a rat's is irrelevent.Knowing that life is precious from the moment it starts in the womb, is not a medical decision, it's an obvious one.Is not a million to one sperm finding it's way into an egg after the beautiful act of making love, and starting a chain of events that will lead up to someone like you not one of the most beautiful things ever observed in the universe?I don't want to hear about the suffering childhood thing either, because some people have great childhoods, and suffer later, while some kids have a bad childood, and could turn out to be president.

Since nothing is proven in science, so I guess no-one is. TO me, it's when that sperm makes it into the egg. Birth control cuts it off before it happens, abortion just cuts it off after it happens. Isn't this what it all comes down to?Look, lets drop all the BS. I said this before, and I will say it again, here is my rant, viewpoint, principal, moral, logic, whatever you want to call it.Whether we got here from God, or from alien beings, or chance, we owe our very existance to the process which is ferterlization, sex, intercourse, whatever you want to call it. To interfere with it, to me is just wrong.You can bring up any points you want about it, and yes, I agree it can be looked at from many views, but that doesn't make it right or wrong.

No, I didn't. I did take your word for it though. At least I do not think you are a liar, and your intentions are always good when talking to me.

No, I didn't say that, I said it doesn't matter what they turn into. It's life that is precious.

Why do we even burden ourselves with that decision? Isn't the act of intercourse that starts the whole thing? Isn't it clear where the liability falls?If the sperm doesn't make it there, then it doesn't happen.