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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design explains many follies
crashfrog
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Message 155 of 302 (297791)
03-24-2006 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by sidelined
03-24-2006 11:09 AM


Gee, Froggy, another one bites the dust. I suppose it is just as well since his arguements were going nowhere anyway. Good thing he has electrical engineering to fall back on.
You know, I don't believe I would hire an electrical engineer, or any other technical professional, that contested the theory of evolution. Just as I wouldn't hire a flat-earth cartographer, or have my air conditioner fixed by someone who cleaved to the phlogiston model. Some positions are so at odds with factual evidence that one simply has to question the technical competency of such an adherent, particularly in other fields that mandate familiarity with reality. (I'd hire a flat-earth creationist painter to paint my garage, for instance.)

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crashfrog
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Message 158 of 302 (297837)
03-24-2006 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by John 10:10
03-24-2006 1:42 PM


Even though I contest the "Theory of Evolution" every opportunity I get, I have had no difficulty whatsoever getting and maintaining my work in the nuclear energy business.
I'm sure that's great for you. My knowledge of evolution has landed me six-figure employment in a variety of positions in my field (computational protenomics) for several decades, now.
As far as you know. I mean, hell, it's not like someone could fabricate a fictitous degree and employment history on the internet. Honestly, who's ever heard of such an outlandish idea?
When all is said and done, we'll see who bites the dust that God has made.
Ah, yes. The threats. Always the sign of a truly insightful intellect.

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crashfrog
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Message 161 of 302 (298668)
03-27-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by John 10:10
03-27-2006 10:43 AM


To imply that only those who believe in the theory of evolution are worthy of hire as techinal professionals is shear arrogance!
"Shear" arrogance? Every time you make these fraudulent boasts about your income and your technical proficiency, the manner in which you boast about it consistently puts your claim to the lie.

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crashfrog
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Message 166 of 302 (298829)
03-27-2006 7:46 PM
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03-27-2006 7:24 PM


As for my resume, send me yours and I'll send you mine. Then you can verify mine with my present and previous employers. Let's see who has to goods!
That's a fairly empty boast, since you don't have a public email address on your profile.
At any rate, what would that prove to me? Your side is pretty famous for resume fraud, like that kid who just recently got canned at NASA after he drew attention to himself for telling astrophysicists and cosmologists three times his age that they had to call the Big Bang a "theory". Turned out that he had claimed on his resume a fair number of degrees that he didn't actually have.
Why should I expect any better from you than from your intellectual peers?

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crashfrog
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Message 170 of 302 (298947)
03-28-2006 9:08 AM
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03-28-2006 9:04 AM


You're the one making the claim; you first. It's off-topic, anyway.
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crashfrog
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Message 172 of 302 (298951)
03-28-2006 9:25 AM
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03-28-2006 9:18 AM


this spark of life knows deterministically where it's going so that fully formed creatures are eventually formed.
Why does the spark have to know? I don't understand this line of reasoning, and you've consistently ignored posts where you've been asked to explain and where your implicit assumptions have been unpacked and refuted.
Are you just having a hard time with the idea of "discussion", or what?

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crashfrog
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Message 176 of 302 (298978)
03-28-2006 11:50 AM
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03-28-2006 10:13 AM


My apologies
Sorry. The whole thing was infantile.

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crashfrog
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Message 180 of 302 (299824)
03-31-2006 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by John 10:10
03-31-2006 1:40 PM


If the ToE does not attempt to state/prove it is the cause of intracately complex existance, then what does the ToE hang its hat on?
The theory of evolution is a model that describes the history and diversity of life on Earth, not "the cause of intricately complex existence", whatever that is.
Evolution is a theory of biology; an explanation of why life on Earth is the way it is and how it was in the past, too. It's not a model of the universe or an explanation of the meaning of existence. It's just a model that biologists use.
How does organic matter know where it needs to go to form intracately complex cells and organs, let alone intracately complex creatures that can reproduce with all the cells and organs in the right places?
That's what ID is all about, and why it's the best and most reasonable answer to life's complex existance.
I don't see how what you've just written proves that "ID is the best and most reasonable answer." Your debating tactic seems to be to assert that life is "complex", whatever that means, and then assert that that proves that ID is reasonable.
That doesn't make any sense to me. An argument that proves ID is the most reasonable explanation would, for instance, provide a measure for how to judge which theories are more reasonable than other theories, and then apply that measure to ID and evolution and show how how ID wins out. Simply asserting that ID is more reasonable than evolution merely demonstrates that you don't know how to judge what is reasonable and what is not.

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crashfrog
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Message 230 of 302 (303991)
04-13-2006 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by John 10:10
04-13-2006 1:59 PM


Re: Substantiate your probability numbers.
Man can study how creatures reproduce and function, but those who believe in ID do not believe the Intelligent Designer caused gradual changes in the DNA in organisms over time to cause speciation.
I think the mainstream ID movement would largely disagree with you there, but that's your problem. Granting your premise for a minute, what do believers in ID do when we observe gradual changes in the DNA causing speciation over time?

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