Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,927 Year: 4,184/9,624 Month: 1,055/974 Week: 14/368 Day: 14/11 Hour: 2/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   anti-abortion folks still get abortions
riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 202 of 301 (300050)
04-01-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:14 AM


Re: Responsibility
You're still wrong. Physically, there's no such thing as will.
Will to survive does not mean what you turned it into (garbage).
Many things that do not have a conscience can be described as having a "will to survive".
Will, in the saying "will to survive" does not mean "will" of the conscience.
So you took the saying out of context twice now.
Does bacteria have a will?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 200 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:14 AM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 204 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:38 AM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 203 of 301 (300051)
04-01-2006 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:15 AM


Re: Responsibility
So is a fetus.
No it's not. Otherwise it would have the same name. Isn't this retarded?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 201 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:15 AM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 205 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:40 AM riVeRraT has replied
 Message 206 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 12:13 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 210 of 301 (300095)
04-01-2006 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Responsibility
There's no context where your statement was remotely correct, RR. Let it go.
If you prove me wrong, then I WILL.
No, they don't. Neither a will to survive, nor any other will. No more than water has a "will to run downhill."
If one kind of bacteria attack another kind, would one survive?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 204 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:38 AM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 219 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 4:51 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 211 of 301 (300097)
04-01-2006 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 12:17 PM


Re: Responsibility
Does water have a will because it always moves to the lowest avaliable place?
Water doesn't live, unless your talking about the living waters of God.
Now your comparing water to life?
Water WILL never grow into anything other than water, and if you leave it alone, it WILL seek it's own level.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 208 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 12:17 PM crashfrog has not replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 212 of 301 (300098)
04-01-2006 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:40 AM


Re: Responsibility
The problem with your baseless accusations of "taking things out of context" is that your posts rarely have any context that would shed light on their meaning. I would reccommend you attempt to write and reason with a greater emphasis on clarity.
Now your attacking the person, not the subject. (admin?) You have yet to prove me wrong here, only interject your opinion.
My posts make perfect sense. It's not my fault if you do not understand them.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 205 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 11:40 AM crashfrog has not replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 213 of 301 (300099)
04-01-2006 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by macaroniandcheese
04-01-2006 12:13 PM


Re: Responsibility
we took that risk instead of laying our eggs and leaving them.
You made a conscience decision to not lay your eggs?
OMG. This is getting worse and worse. Can't you guys see how ridiculus you guys are getting to prove a point?
All this stupidity, and it is stupidity, is only re-enforcing my opinion about abortion.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 206 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 12:13 PM macaroniandcheese has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 214 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 3:36 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 215 of 301 (300102)
04-01-2006 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by macaroniandcheese
04-01-2006 3:36 PM


Re: Responsibility
Please explain how you took that risk.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 214 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 3:36 PM macaroniandcheese has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 216 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 3:44 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 217 of 301 (300111)
04-01-2006 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by macaroniandcheese
04-01-2006 3:44 PM


Re: Responsibility
we don't have the choice to lay eggs anymore. and for you to think i meant that you'd have to be pretty stupid.
You said we took a risk, and decided not to lay eggs anymore, please explain how you took that risk.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 216 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 3:44 PM macaroniandcheese has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 218 by DrJones*, posted 04-01-2006 4:07 PM riVeRraT has replied
 Message 220 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 5:07 PM riVeRraT has replied
 Message 221 by Silent H, posted 04-01-2006 5:30 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 222 of 301 (300219)
04-02-2006 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by DrJones*
04-01-2006 4:07 PM


Re: Reading Comprehension, its a good thing.
She used "we" in the collective sense. In the sentence "we" is refferring to the human species not her specifically.
What she meant, and what she said are 2 completely different things.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 218 by DrJones*, posted 04-01-2006 4:07 PM DrJones* has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 232 by DrJones*, posted 04-02-2006 4:03 PM riVeRraT has not replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 223 of 301 (300220)
04-02-2006 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 4:51 PM


Re: Responsibility
If one kind of bacteria attack another kind, would one survive?
I have literally no idea what you're getting at, or how this constitutes support for your position.
Like I said, try writing with a greater emphasis on being clear.
Is it possible, that if one kind of bacteria, attacked another kind, would one of them survive?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 219 by crashfrog, posted 04-01-2006 4:51 PM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 228 by crashfrog, posted 04-02-2006 11:15 AM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 224 of 301 (300221)
04-02-2006 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by macaroniandcheese
04-01-2006 5:07 PM


Re: i think it's time to wrap it up
i'm not responding to you anymore until you pull your head out of your butt.
Your unbelievable.
this thread has gotten so ridiculous and you keep asking the most bizarre questions
Such as?
and now you want me to defend some hair-brained idea that you have that i said i chose not to lay eggs?
If your incapable of expressing your self cleary to the point where at least the idea you can make some sense, then that is what you'll get.
NOn of us chose to keep our eggs inside, it's just the way things are. The same way when you get "popped" there is a chance that a new life WILL begin. It's just the way things are.
you've refused again and again to acknowledge the only sane statement on this thread (amazingly enough, mine) about abortion legislation being an infringement on the patient-doctor relationship and an inherently sexist statement about how women can't be trusted with their own medical choices
Just another selfish view point.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 220 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-01-2006 5:07 PM macaroniandcheese has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 227 by macaroniandcheese, posted 04-02-2006 10:35 AM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 225 of 301 (300224)
04-02-2006 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Silent H
04-01-2006 5:30 PM


Re: Responsibility
I honestly don't know holmes.
How can we make illegal now, that it has been legal for so long? What could the punishment possibly be?
I never said the suffering I went through was enough or not. I said wasn't it enough, meaning I don't know. If it was illegal, and I went to jail for it, I could understand that now. Anything that would have prevented me from doing it, would have been a step in the right direction.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 221 by Silent H, posted 04-01-2006 5:30 PM Silent H has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 229 by Silent H, posted 04-02-2006 12:27 PM riVeRraT has replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 233 of 301 (300355)
04-02-2006 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by nator
04-02-2006 9:27 AM


Re: Responsibility
I am talking about making an "honest mistake" while driving.
I have never heard of someone being convicted of a honest mistake and doing time for it.
When your drunk, your then liable. Just like when you have sex, your liable, thats my point.
So does this mean that you wish to force, by rule of law, all pregnant girls and women to carry their pregnancies to term?
YOu have worded that incorrectly, and your not understanding what I am saying. By rule of law, I wish make all people who have intercourse liable for their actions. It is really not all that outlandish, it is life.
Your saying it's ok to play games with life, just so you can get "popped", and have a good night out or something.
Does this mean that you wish the government and law enforcement agancies to apply themselves to surveillance and prosecution of girls and women who seek or get abortions?
I haven't though about it that deeply. What was done in the past?
And you never have answered holmes; why aren't you describing how you think you should be punished for deciding with your girlfriend to terminate her pregnancy?
I did answer him.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 226 by nator, posted 04-02-2006 9:27 AM nator has not replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 234 of 301 (300357)
04-02-2006 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Chiroptera
04-02-2006 12:33 PM


Re: Responsibility
After all, if the purpose of sending people to jail is to deter people from doing this in the future, what would be a better deterrent than making an example of RiverRat right now?
I deserve it, in my own opinion. I would spend time in jail gladly to set an example. I am a person of integrety, and principal.
But your little scenerio shows that you completely missed it. I did what I did, because I lived in a society that accepted abortions, which helped me make the decision I made. I was uneducated about it. There was no actual way for me to know how I would feel until I did it. And because abortion was legal, it just helped me along in doing it, instead of detering me. So I did nothing wrong, and I deserve no punishment. If you wish to punish someone for my abortion, you can punish the partys involved in making it legal, they are the ultimate ones liable.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 230 by Chiroptera, posted 04-02-2006 12:33 PM Chiroptera has not replied

riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 235 of 301 (300358)
04-02-2006 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Silent H
04-02-2006 12:27 PM


Re: Responsibility
Being sent to jail wouldn't have prevented you from doing it
Of course it would.
Why not you first?
Because I didn't legalize it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 229 by Silent H, posted 04-02-2006 12:27 PM Silent H has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 247 by Silent H, posted 04-03-2006 5:43 AM riVeRraT has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024