The Case Against the Existence of God

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I've heard this type of reasoning before, and it won't do. Green Lantern is a different type of entity than God (if we think of God as the creator of the universe). Green Lantern is by definition a totally extraneous entity, having arisen from nature. The concept of God is quite different.

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Actually this will do perfectly considering that you made up the attributes of the God in the OP.Where did you pull the attributes from for your God of the OP?How can anyone make a case against your God when you haven't told us what your God does or did or is supposed to do.You say he is all-knowing, all-good, and all powerful and totally objective. But is he here, was he here? He can be all those things and be in another galaxy.Attributes don't mean anything unless he does something with them.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Dan's reference to Green Lantern or whatever is no argument at all. What it appears to be is a sarcastic slur on belief. That might work fine as rhetorical pathos; but good logos it's not.

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You're missing the point. You aren't presenting a God from belief. You are concocting a God and adding rules as you go along.On what do you base these rules, attributes, or choices?

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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The God I "concocted" was one I thought was commonly believed in.

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Which is why you are unable to tell me on what you base the rules, attributes, or choices concerning your God of the OP. The OP God has no substance. You've put together bits and pieces, but no understanding or premise behind your generic God.If your God truly created the universe as you claim then that would only mean that your God existed in the past. Great, but what has this God of the OP done today?

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As far as the origin of the universe, the choices I presented were not "concocted." These are the only 2 choices.

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According to who?IMO, early humans based their idea of God(s) on very visual elements. The sun, moon, stars, visual planets, weather, natural disasters, etc. From that standpoint, the Gods of the ancients still exist and are pretty much doing the same thing they did back then.As mankind's knowledge increased, God(s) evolved or disappeared.The case against your God of the OP existing is that you have nothing to show that it ever existed or that anyone ever believed or believes in such a God. (religous text, rituals, tradition, etc.) All we have is what you say.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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1. It was created by an eternal Being
2. It has always existed in some form.

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There are your choices. There are no others.

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Option #3: It was created by a noneternal being.The truth is we really don't know and can only speculate. So depends on whether you want to stick with what is scientifically possible or allow all possibilities.When you get time I would like your thoughts on Message 105.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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If that was the case, then that non-eternal being had to arise from something--namely nature. Revert to #2.

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According to who?You don't know what was there before our universe.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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But the God I am talking could not die. Or at least I don't think he could.

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Ah more new information, but you aren't even sure.

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It's not a matter of who, Purple Dawn--it's matter of logic. There are only 2 choices logically.

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IOW, according to you and we are to trust your logic. What makes the choice of an eternal being logical?You really haven't shown us the logic behind your conclusions.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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One deduces it.

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What is the basis for your logic? What is the foundation of information that leads you to your conclusions? What did you deduce all this from?

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz