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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design explains many follies
Chiroptera
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Message 235 of 302 (304191)
04-14-2006 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by John 10:10
04-14-2006 9:36 AM


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I have given you examples why I believe the simplest cell organisms or atoms could not have assembled themselves into compounds, DNA and living creatures by chance.
And you have been told that no one believes that this occurred by "chance".
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Most who do not believe in ID recognize the infinitely small probability that chance could be the cause of our existence....
Indeed, which is why most who do not believe in ID recognize that our existence is not due to chance.
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There is in no way, shape or form that evolution without ID is the cause of our existence and has been proved.
Perhaps, but that proof was never demonstrated by you. You have merely expressed your own conceptual difficulties, and you have demonstrated that you do not understand the subject under discussion.
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Everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions, but not to their own set of facts.
Nor is anyone entitled to their own rules of logic. Your facts are wrong and your arguments are illogical.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
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Chiroptera
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Message 247 of 302 (304751)
04-17-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by John 10:10
04-16-2006 6:49 PM


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...just what do you believe is a better explanation?
Natural selection (a very nonrandom process) acting on imperfectly replicating systems that were initially very, very simple.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 259 of 302 (305032)
04-18-2006 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by John 10:10
04-18-2006 11:22 AM


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...so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth,
Maybe you should take this to the Biblical Accuracy forum and present the evidence that this actually occurred.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 266 of 302 (305322)
04-19-2006 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by John 10:10
04-19-2006 4:46 PM


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I will give you my credentials one more time for those who are interested in facts, not insults.
Again, I don't care about your credentials. Your credentials are irrelevant. Your facts are wrong and your arguments are logically flawed. This has been repeatedly demonstrated. It doesn't matter what your credentials are; your credentials will not make your facts correct, nor will they fix the fallacies in your arguments.
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According to some, nothing is 100% provable. On this point I disagree.
Oh? What scientific theory has been proven 100%?
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neither can evolution...
Perhaps not 100%; however, the evidence in favor of it is pretty overwhelming. I would say that evolution has been "proven" to 100% minus a very, very, very small number.
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...abiogenesis...
This point is probably true. Even if tomorrow a team of scientists have announced that they have created actual life in their laboratory under conditions that mimic the primordial earth, there is no way to conclude from this that this is what happened three and a half billion years ago. The only way we could know what happened is to find actual physical evidence from that time. Unfortunately, the precursors to life are not expected to be something that was likely to leave fossils, so we will probably never have any good evidence of the processes that led to the creation of life. So we will never know precisely what transpired. We will never be able to do more than propose possibilities.
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I’m sure this post will generate more insults and questionings of my credentials, but that’s your problem, not mine.
You spend a great amount of time and effort in presenting your credentials; considering that your credentials are irrelevant to the discussion, it appears you do feel that this is your problem.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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