Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him)

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I hope I explained this above. God won't stop the nation from such sin, that's our responsibility. If we don't stop it, if we treat it as a good thing and support it, then as a nation He will ultimately punish us.

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I think sin, in general, carries it's own punishment... no supernatural intervention required. For example, if you kill there will be consequences If you eat too much, there will be consequences. If, as a society, you abandon morals, there will be consequences. God doesn't have to come down and "smite" you... you'll be handling that all on your own.As I said in the previous post, we need to quit looking up or down and take a long hard look in the mirror.

Unable to access the audio. Wish you'd quoted the main points for us.I gather somebody said something about the symbolic meaning of the twin towers? If I'm wrong, oh well. I certainly registered their symbolism at the time, Trade Center, money, greed, big capitalist bucks. One of the sins of America.But particularly it symbolizes one way God strikes a nation in judgment, in its economy. This is spelled out in God's warnings to Israel in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, how He will judge the nation when it sins, and such things as famine and the outrageous inflation of the price of necessary food are mentioned. How about the price of oil which we desperately need in this mobile culture? Is the skyrocketing price related to 9/11 or not? {abe: to Katrina for sure} And this has affected the cost of delivering groceries across the nation which has affected the cost of the groceries themselves. 9/11 dealt an economic blow to the airlines too, which has threatened the pensions of their employees, some of whom have had to retire early. This is bound to be just the beginnings of much worse to come. They've been able to meet the pensions so far. How long?As Buz mentioned, the destructive power of violent weather in the last few years is another indicator of God's judgment, such as the hurricanes, Katrina in particular, that nearly wiped out a city known for its sin but also in its way an American icon. There could soon come a season when the whole nation is so devastated by an accumulation all at once of all the particular kinds of destruction each locality is prone to, whether flood or fire or crippling levels of snow and ice, or mudslides or tornadoes and hurricanes or whatever, that there will simply be no funds and no human energy to do more than try to cope with one's own local plight.That's just the economic part of the symbolism of the attack on the towers, and it's just a love tap so far. I don't think it would take a whole lot to bring America to her knees economically.Our military was another part of the symbolism in the attack on the Pentagon. Just a nick in it you could say, a hint of what could come. God also says in the Leviticus and Deuteronomy passages about His warnings of judgments, that he will cause enemies to triumph over Israel when they fail to keep His commandments.The white house was an intended target but that one didn't come off as intended. But that one symbolizes the leadership of the land, the governing powers, maybe in a way the nation itself. God tells Israel that they will be governed by incompetents and corrupt leaders as a result of their national sins. I don't want to get into politics, and though I have some problems with Bush's policies I far prefer him to Clinton. I think Clinton was a new low. But this would be a big argument that I'm not up to. I'd say in general that it's been a LONG time since we've had a President we could be wholeheartedly proud of as a nation.The point of all this is just to suggest that there's something to the symbolism of the targets in terms of Biblical warnings of judgment.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

We are not to destroy cities now, we are to preach the gospel. Anyone using nukes is out of the will of God, I would say. Even having them.
There are degrees od sin. If I eat something unclean, it might be a sin, it might not be. We now have the authority to clean things up by praying over it, if you read the new testament.
Eating ham set before us, that we pray over, is no sin at all, forget 'abomination'! Destroying the earth, and mass murder is a great sin.

Who ripped off the faithful? If you refer to the sins of the US, yes, they are chief among sinners. But when you send out the gospel light, God blesses, despite our sins. But these days the US can't even teach it's own kids, forget the rest of the world.

The preachers ripped off the faithful.The televangalists, the Southern Baptist Conference.. The 'Moral Majority'.And, missonary work is immoral in and of itself

False preachers will be punished. Equating them with all preachers is a sin on your part. Tell that to Jesus who commanded it.

ramoss was pretty clear when he went on to mention Falwell, the Moral Majority and televangelists. When you look at that group what you do find is near 100% liars, conmen, crooks and snakeoil salesmen. The folk like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ron Wyatt, Gene Scott and pretty much every televangelist are at best simply balsphemers and conmen, at worst direct agents of Satan. The way you spread the Gospel is by living it. The minute the Bibles come out, morality seems to go out the window.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is this a joke? Seriously dude, it's hard to tell if your posts are jokes or not

Actually Buz, the simple fact is that the coming of christianity to american resulted in the most wide spread slaughter and death ever witnessed in north american.The arrival of christianity in America resulted in 95% of the native population being wiped outEdited by SuperNintendo Chalmers, : No reason given.

yes but those were mud people (or is savage the correct term?) they clearly didn't deserve the protection of god.Edited by CK, : No reason given.

Yes we are in the end times. The very end, as the bible clearly says cannot come before that man of sin, the antichrist comes. Then we are in the last few years.
As for the death in the world, that is a result of sin. Don't blame God for most of it. If He needs to judge, there is a good reason for the good of mankind for it. Seems like an undercurrent of hate for God in this forum.

Perhaps some were so abused of the selfish rich countries, they were better off in heaven. Love and laughter, and plenty everafter.

Christians helped the natives, not like the greedy traders, and whiskey sellers. A lot of the native death also came in disease from afar. Amazing how you are allowed to spit out silly false allegations here.

Some of them maybe, so what? If we give to God in good concience we are never ripped off, we get a blessing for it.

Let's not forget the effects of the arrival of Christianity on the populations of South America, the Caribean, Polynesia, India and Africa.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion