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Author Topic:   Creationists: Why is Evolution Bad Science?
romajc
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Message 211 of 283 (312291)
05-16-2006 12:58 AM


Animals evolving seems very unlikely to me. For example;
You have a fish, swimming in water. Eventually it ends up on land, maybe as a reptile like animal. Next, this reptile creature turns either into a bird like animal that can fly or maybe a mammal which is warm blooded.
Now, lets look at the steps that would need to happen.
We have the fish, with nothing but scales and fins needed for water. You have tons of this fish. Through natural selection only the strong will survive. In order for these fish to become land animals they must be able to be fast, agile swimmers. Why would these fish ever evolve legs? Lets say this fish somehow gets a little mutated over time and starts to get a leg like appendage. This fish will be a worse swimmer than all the fish with regular fins. Any fish that even starts to evolve into a land animals would be the first fish to get eaten.
Next, we have the reptil turning into a flying bird. This reptile has four legs it uses to walk, run after prey, escape predators, etc. Mutation happens and it starts its way towards wings instead of front legs. Wow, this reptile can barely walk. What do you know, first to be eaten.
Evoltution, makes no sense. It is just theory. Mutations to animals are never good. They just impair animals. Anytime animals in this day and age become mutated, they are less superior than the normal animals. Mutating fruit flies only produced inferior fruit flies with four wings, no wings, curved wings, etc. There is no proof of evolution happening. If there are millions of one kind of animal, they will not all evolve at the same time at the same rate. Only a few would mutate and evolve. Therefore it is safe to say the others may stay the same as they were. After a while you would have the original animals, the newly evolved animals, and many animals between the two.
In the past, scientist have always been wrong. The Earth is flat, Earth is the center of the universe, etc. Earth is 6000 years old, then it is 100,000, then 700,000, 2mil, 3mil, now 4.6mil. You can't prove what happened in the past unless you were there. Evolution makes no sense. While Creation atleast has some logic. My opinion have you.

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romajc
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Message 213 of 283 (312297)
05-16-2006 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by NosyNed
05-16-2006 1:21 AM


Re: Too bad the facts contradict you.
I am young, and probably on the low side of knowledge on these forums. I have not been in school or on Earth long enough to even be able to compete with what most of you on here think. And I am not here to talk about English. You know what I meant about theory. And yes, I am here to learn because I have recently become very interested in such subjects. So anything you can teach me would be appreciated.
Now, my examples still stand. I never said there aren't fish that can walk on land or climb trees. I believe those fish have always been like that. Simple, this fish walks, climbs, and swims. Where does this fish live? Why does it need to walk and climb? I would like for you to give me a link to the fish you are talking about so I can give my reasoning on it. But I will give partial reason on what I know about your statement(which isn't much).
This fish can do all these things. You probably think this fish used to only swim, and it is now evolving into a land animal, correct? How is it evolving? Through mutation? If it becomes a land animal it must lose its gills, correct? And it must be able to breath the same air we breath. How will this happen? Will it be able to breath like we do, and also have gills? Then its leg like fins will enable it to walk better on land. Therefore it can spend more time on land without becoming prey all too often. I may not be making too much sense to you, and I am sorry. But all I am saying is that to me this theory or whatever you want to call it makes no sense to me. This fish cannot evolve into a pure land animal. Any mutation will harm what it is able to do in some way. Are there animals that breath with gills and lungs? This fish will never be able to be a land animal. Mutations will either make it die under water or it won't be able to last on land.

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romajc
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Message 214 of 283 (312298)
05-16-2006 2:10 AM


Also, I have never heard of someone saying evolution occurs very rapidly. To me, they only way evolution could happen is if it was rapidly. But we know that isn't true or else we probably would witness evolution. Therefore, since no one has witnessed it, we say it happens very slowly over millions of years. Which leads me to think even less of evolution. Trust me, I could have a much easier time believing in evolution if it was rapid than slow.
A fish is in the water, it can only breath in the water, yet it can walk on land for short distances and even climb! This fish lays its eggs they become somehow mutated beyond belief! Babies are born, two of them of opposite sex have mutated into land breathing animals. They come to the surface and reproduce. THE END
I would have a much easier time believing the story I just told that the millions of years theory. Why? Because unless some miracle happens, this fish won't be able to transition into a land breathing animal. The more its fins turn into legs, the more it will die in the water.
I am sorry, evolution just makes absolutely no sense to me. I am young, and know very little. I grew up in school, learning only of evolution. Of course I believed it, who doesnt? You only know what you are taught when young. Now that I am 21, and can think for myself, it all seems bogus. Creation was like a light bulb to me. All through school evolution seemed so stupid, but it is all I knew. Creation just makes so much more sense. I am no creationist fanboy. I am very sceptical and the christian religion. I believe the bible when it comes to how everything came to be. But I have a hard time believing one religion is right, all others are wrong. Anyways, I am sure, with over 3000 post you know much more than I. So next time please post some links to what you are saying. I dont need to post links because I am only stating my own thoughts and logic. I never stated "facts". You said to bad the facts contradict me yet you showed me no facts... So, what facts contradict me?
Edited by romajc, : No reason given.

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romajc
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Message 216 of 283 (312317)
05-16-2006 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by NosyNed
05-16-2006 3:13 AM


Re: Facts
You are calling all these things facts... because someone thought it up, didnt in any way prove it, and it got down to you. It isnt fact. Fact is observable. Your belief that this could by chance happen over billions of years is nothing but a belief, not fact. Please use the word fact only for facts.

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romajc
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Message 222 of 283 (312488)
05-16-2006 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by jar
05-16-2006 10:18 AM


Re: Facts
That story was actually much better than mine. And I could see everything you said happening in natural selection. Because everything you said could happen through traits already in the fish. Sure the bigger fin fish could survive better, or the darker colored, or whatever. So eventually they would thrive. And sure the stronger fin fish could survive better on the land or whatever. But that is where it stops. They are never going to be able to evolve something they dont already have. Like being able to breath out of the water. That is the most important aspect of changing from a fish to a land animal, is it not?
As for attacking me talking about the fish needing to be more agile and quick. Then talking about the fish that can crawl on land and climb. I was using agile and quick for the fish I was talking about. I have known since elementry school about land crawling fish. It is besides the point.
As for this;
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There are some things that are FACT.
that the earth is billions of years old.
that the universe is tens of billions of years old.
that evolution happened.
that the record shows that early life was very primative.
that the makeup of life on the earth has changed over time.
I dont see how any of that can be shown as fact. Just because evolution was made up 150 years ago. And everything evolutionist have discovered they fit into the evolution theory. And if it went against the evolution theory, they simply changed the evolution theory in order to fit it into the evolution theory. If you call that fact, have fun with it. Becuase the evolution theory will be much different tomorrow as it is today. Why? Because it is based on belief, it has been made up over time, it has no solid proof, instead of taking all the evidence found of the past(fossils) and coming up with a theory, the opposite has occured. A theory was made and all the evidence found has been attempted to be put into evolution.

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