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jar
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Message 134 of 306 (313172)
05-18-2006 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Faith
05-18-2006 3:40 AM


Public Ignorance?
Faith writes:
I repeated many times that I was talking about what the average person was aware of. No other STDs existed IN THE PUBLIC MIND before the Sexual Revolution, or had any impact on general public health concerns, only syphilis and gonorrhea.
All that shows is that the general public was ignorant. that has nothing to do with morals, or STD's or reality except to show that the general public needed to be educated.
We face the same issue today. Many people believe that Abstinence Only sex ed works or is a solution. It isn't, and the general public needs to be educated about the FACT that Abstinence Only is a total failure.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 139 of 306 (313193)
05-18-2006 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
05-18-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Public Ignorance?
Yet again, your response has nothing to do with what I said.
You said:
I repeated many times that I was talking about what the average person was aware of. No other STDs existed IN THE PUBLIC MIND before the Sexual Revolution, or had any impact on general public health concerns, only syphilis and gonorrhea.
I responded that all that said was that the general public was ignorant.
You now respond:
You think they didn't knock themselves out educating people about syphilis and gonorrhea? Where were you?
Certainly people were taught (usually over the violent objections of the Christian Fundies) about VD. But not about many of the other STDs. In fact, during the 60's we did not have the knowledgebase, the trained medical corps, the communications mediums and the point of view that educating the public was good policy. The 60's in many ways were still dominated by some of the more restrictive religious conservatives, and educating folk was not very high on the list.
That is very similar to the current position you've been proposing. What others have been suggesting is that the answer is better, more complete education of the public. Teach them what we now know about STDs, make available the tools and technology now available to minimize the impact of STDs, and do what we can to aliviate the problem.
There is another recdent study, a related study, on how kids learn about things they can't see. It's on How kids learn about God and Science
It points to the possibility that how parents and others teach about God and other invisible things such as germs influences how much kids believe. When you teach Abstinence Only, the results seem to show all it does is encourage kids to have sex. By teaching it as a Moral Absolute are you not infact simply encouraging kids to test the limits?
If, on the otherhand, abstinence is simply included within a comprehensive education the studies seem to show a far higher success rate.
Is your goal simply to demonize sex or to reduce the incidence of pre and extra marital sex?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 203 of 306 (313737)
05-19-2006 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by MangyTiger
05-19-2006 9:56 PM


Re: Quarantine ha!
There is a current plan to do that in the US for Bird Flu. The Polio Epidemic prompted measures like closing the pools and other gathering places for kids during the summer. There was also Elis Island, quarantine of towns for various disease, things like Leper Colonies.

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