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Author | Topic: I still want a different word for 'gay marriage' | |||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What? of course it is you puposefully excluded me so you could spend time with your other friends... what ever the reason.. it is purposeful exclusion. not if it wasn't on purpose
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Well it may not be technically correct, but the point I was trying to make is that you are not legally married in this country without having a signed marriage license, which is the governments, hence civil, recognition of said marriage. Most people think of 'civil union' as a non-religious marriage, but all marriages in this county have this civil component. Some state even have what's called 'common law' marriages in which just living as man and wife for a period of years will get you 'married'.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The easy solution is to take the word "marriage" out of all laws and replace it with "union" I like that more than including gay in marriage. I still think healthcare will be negetively affected though.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
you are not legally married in this country without having a signed marriage license, which is the governments, hence civil, recognition of said marriage. When you get married you go and get a license and the government calls it a 'marriage' not a 'civil union', right?...even though, by definition, the marriage is a civil union. Now, if you go down to the court house and get a civil union, does the government call it a marriage? Are there two defintions?
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Well I just looked up the Orange County FL Clerk of Court site (http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/service/marriage.shtml) and they don't make a distinction between civil union vs marriage, they are both marriages.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
they don't make a distinction between civil union vs marriage, they are both marriages. I don't see civil union mentioned at all. Look at this. Seems the marriage is between a bride and a groom. Can you have a male bride or a female groom?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Can you have a male bride or a female groom?
What, exactly, is the problem with having a male bride?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What, exactly, is the problem with having a male bride? You mean, other than being a contradiction?
dictionary wiki
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iano Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I think Arach would call that semantics. If men married men then the definition of bride would change. You could then have a have different orders of bride: female and male.
In this case, a male-order bride
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
catholic scientist writes: Well, you had to throw that word 'willfully' in there and changed it. Well you are not accidentally failing to include them.. you are doing so because you want to... it is your will that they 'not be included'.how is this different to 'excluding'?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
So if it wasn't on purpose did you mean to include me? and it just slipped your mind?
I can't see where you are going here.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
iano writes:
Badum-tish!
In this case, a male-order bride
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rgb Inactive Member |
iano writes
quote:Forbidden
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Right they don't mention 'civil union', because it's redundant. Would it be clearer to you if we used the word 'state' or 'government' recognised in place of the word 'civil' perhaps?
I know that recently the term is being used to refer to same sex marriages, but in my experience it was in use prior to all this and it referred to non-church/temple/whatever marriages, usually disparigingly.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well you are not accidentally failing to include them.. you are doing so because you want to... it is your will that they 'not be included'. Thats very bold of you to tell me what my will is (and a violation of forum guidline #10). I mean, did you even read the thread or did you just take one line from the conversation out of context and assume what I must have meant. The definition of marriage does not include gays in it. It wasn't on purpose, it didn't slip the mind, they were just a non-issue. Yes, they are excluded from the definition. But that is different than making an amendment to actively exclude them. I stand by my claim that failing to include someone is different from actively excluding them.
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