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Author Topic:   I still want a different word for 'gay marriage'
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 47 of 243 (320759)
06-12-2006 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by New Cat's Eye
06-08-2006 1:39 PM


Its not that I don't consider a fake marriage with a girl to be bogus. The gender doesn't make it more or less bogus of a marriage. I was saying that I never considered entering a bogus marriage with a girl and now that we're talking about gays getting married, I started considering a bogus marriage. And I wouldn't consider entering one with a girl although I would consider entering one with a guy.
Its from how I look at marriage that one with a guy wouldn't be legitimate (WRT my religion) in the first place so I would have less of a problem with a bogus one. With a girl, if I entered a bogus marriage, it would have an affect on my later, legitimate marriage.
so just because you're considering fraud means that a whole segment of the population should be prevented from exercising their desires?
some of us are friends with the opposite sex. hey arach. want a navy federal account? we just have to throw down a few bucks on a contract and have it annulled after you set up the account. cheaper than most banks. i wish i could give you health insurance, but i lose that in september. but maybe we could get food stamps.

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Message 48 of 243 (320760)
06-12-2006 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by New Cat's Eye
06-08-2006 1:57 PM


Their desires for marriage create an obstacle for me, if they just used a different word I'd feel better about it.
the constitution doesn't guarantee you the right to 'feel better' about things.
it does, however guarantee all citizens to the equal protection of the law. and since everyone is so concerned about the protections of marriage, then those protections ARE GUARANTEED to gay people already. moralistic government officials simply have to stop denying them licenses.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 52 of 243 (320764)
06-12-2006 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by New Cat's Eye
06-08-2006 4:33 PM


There is more to it than the name though.
substituted with full equivalence
I don't think thats a good idea for reasons I've typed here and there.
then you aren't interested in a full and equal marriage with a different name. guess what. brown v board. we've already been through this. separate is inherently unequal. and you're clearly not interested in equal since you aren't interested in the scenario jar proposed.
what you fail to realize is that gay people already have the right to marry. they are citizens and as citizens are entitloed to the fourteenth amendment protections. this guarantees them the right to equal protection of their marriages under the law. we don't have to redefine anything.
btw. you'd probably have to pay alimony if you divorce your newly healthy biker buddy. i think that should be deterrent enough.

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Message 53 of 243 (320766)
06-12-2006 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by JavaMan
06-09-2006 7:37 AM


Re: Civil Union vs. Marriage
I don't know what the rules are over there, but in the UK if you get married in an established church (RC, CofE, etc.), then you get the civil union at the same time. If you're not religious, you can just do the legal bit in a registry office or some other place licensed to do it.
yes, it's the same. you go get a marriage license. you fill it out. you get it notarized. you turn it in. you're married. a notary public is all you need to get married. when my boyfriend's dad got married, his friend (a notary) married them. my boyfriend and i were the witnesses. you can get any old person to be your witnesses. you can get drunk people standing next to you to be your witnesses. that's how it works. now, i don't know if a pastor has to be a notary or if there is a special church registry that works a little differently. i've never gotten married. i have no idea.

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Message 54 of 243 (320768)
06-12-2006 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by ohnhai
06-09-2006 9:55 AM


Re: Well I want a different word for 'religious marriage'
hear hear!
i want a new word for my "marriage" that doesn't include the long history of female subjugation.

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Message 56 of 243 (320783)
06-12-2006 11:53 AM
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06-12-2006 11:22 AM


yes, i suppose, but only to prove a point. some of us have opposite sex friends we wouldn't be opposed to 'marrying' for personal assistance. but it's still fraud. they didn't outlaw opposite sex marriage because it allowed for fraud, so they shouldn't do this for same sex marriage. it's a separate standard and thus unequal.
of course, you can get a navy federal account simply by being my roommate for six months or more.

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Message 58 of 243 (320871)
06-12-2006 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by arachnophilia
06-12-2006 12:19 PM


well, i don't actually want to marry you.

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Message 60 of 243 (320876)
06-12-2006 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by arachnophilia
06-12-2006 5:05 PM


i have a boy. he's somehow less lazy than you

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