I still want a different word for 'gay marriage'

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People have said that bogus marriages are an option for heteros already so this shouldn’t be a problem. The reason I don’t see it that way is that I didn’t consider a bogus marriage with a girl and only considered a bogus marriage in the light of the gay marriage talk. And I only considered a bogus marriage with a guy and not a girl.

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So, lemme get this straight.You want to keep many thousands of gay couples who want to marry from doing so because in your particular, personal case, you would consider abusing the legalization of same-sex marriage while you wouldn't consider abusing heterosexual marriage for some vaguely-stated reason.I have never heard anything so ridiculous.

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I mean, what might give you pause in the situation you describe above is, if your "buddy" gets greedy, he can contest the annullment. He can force you to have to divorce him. Without a prenup, maybe he takes your sweet dirtbike.

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...or maybe even with a prenup, he will get a great lawyer and get his sweet dirtbike anyway.Let's imagine that you land a great job with a benefits package way better than your buddy's, and he switches on to your plan. Your buddy gets kind of used to this great benefits package and gets a bit shirty with you when, a couple of months later, you tell him that you have asked your girlfriend to marry you and that you need to dissolve the marriage.You both end up having to get lawyers, he drags the divorce proceedings out for a long time, costing both of you money, your fiance gets fed up and kicks you to the curb, etc., etc....

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Schraf was asking for data or somehting to back up this claim but I'm just saying this as an opinion. Its just something I think will happen so I don't support gay marriage, but becuase I lack any evidence, I refrain from actively opposing it. The opinion comes form my views on who I would bogus marry and why.

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Well, if your "opinion" isn't based upon any sort of information, data, or knowledge, then perhaps you shouldn't hold it?Call me crazy, but since when are "opinions pulled out of my ass" considered good reasons to think or do anything?

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Even just changing the first letter to G and calling it Garriage makes it better. They have their own thing and I have mine (or we have ours). I don't want the current "marriage" to be changed to include something that isn't marriage in my opinion.

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Legally, how is your marriage any different from, say, a marriage between Athiests?

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Because I think other people will take advantage of it too and WRT healthcare, when enough people buck the system it will have a negetive impact on my healthcare, even if I am blind and deaf to gay marriage.

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If you have no data to support this then I suggest that it is nothing more than an irrational fear that I suggest you stop trying to use as an argument.

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Don't prohibit their 'marriages' because of religious objection, but do the religious a favor and come up with a new word to describe their union.

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Of course.Because the government doesn't already do a great many favors for the religious.Since when do religious people own the word "marriage", anyway, such that they get to dictate to a secular government, and therefore to the entire country, their own definition?

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People who don't understand what commitment is are not going to learn it by feeling pressured into staying with someone. On the contrary, I think that leads to less commitment. I would rather see no external pressure to commit, watch people fail and learn from themselves, and then learn to be committed.

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One of the most profound things I have ever read regarding how to have a good marriage is that you have to be willing to walk away if you had to.If someone feels like they have no choice, then powerlessness and resentment are the only natural outcomes.

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Maybe you have to be married to know what I'm talking about. And I'm trying not to divulge a bunch of personal details, here. Believe me when I tell you that I don't love my wife any less now than the first day we met - if anything, I love her more. Much more.

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But if we hadn't been married, I wouldn't be with her today. And that would have been a mistake - a mistake that being married prevented. A mistake that having made a promise of that level of seriousness prevented.

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I can relate, and agree, completely.Zhimbo does too.

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It can't be explained in a way that makes sense.

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It makes perfect sense to me.

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But, not because I've communicated the concept sufficiently clearly; rather, it makes sense to you because I've alluded to a situation we've both been in.

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Yes! Yes I know.(Hence, the smily in my last post.)

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I just don't think we should lump gay marriages in with marriages beause they weren't originnaly intended in the definition and I think throwing them in there opens it up for problems.

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You know, I've asked you to support with evidence your claims that "something bad will happen", but you just don't want to. See, I did it on this very page, in message 63.Here it is again.

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Schraf was asking for data or somehting to back up this claim but I'm just saying this as an opinion. Its just something I think will happen so I don't support gay marriage, but becuase I lack any evidence, I refrain from actively opposing it. The opinion comes form my views on who I would bogus marry and why.

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I think its gonna mess up healthcare (assuming it can get worse ) because we'll be more prone to fake marriages for getting a friend on your healthcare plan.

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WHY do you think this?Based upon what data?Or is this based upon your own dishonest proclivities and nothing else? After all, anybody could (and some do) marry people of the opposite gender solely to get the benefits. Your own personal quirk that you wouldn't marry a woman but you would marry a man does not in any way constitute evidence in support of your claim.If you cannot support it, stop using the argument.(You have ignored many not-so-subtle attempts to point this out to you, yet you keep making the baseless claim over and over again. Please don't make me get a moderator.)Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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In a society where failed marriages outnumber the successful ones, I'm not feelin' a lot of the "massive amount of societal pressure" that you're talking about.

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Actually, I just learned that that oft-repeated statistic "half of all marriages end in divorce" is quite misleading.It turns out that over 70% of all first marriages do not end in divorce.There is a small percentage of people who get married and divorced a bunch of times who are creating the misleading statistic.

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I don't have to support that claim to continue to not support gay marriages.

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No, but you do have to support the claim if you keep wanting to use the claim as a reason to deny gays the right to marry.Let me be clear.If you are not going to reasonably and rationally support your claim that "something bad will happen" to healthcare if gays are allowed to marry, then stop using that as part of your argument.

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If I feel that gay marriages will have a negetive affect on my taxes and healthcare, doesn't it become my business?

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No.Constitutional rights for all people exist regardless of your "feelings" that there might be some detrimental effects.Even if you are right, and there will be some detrimental effect to you, it's just too damn bad.Your misgivings and even any actual detrimental effects do not trump the rights granted to all people under our Constitution.

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