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Author Topic:   YEC Problem with Science Above and Beyond Evolution
ringo
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Message 104 of 312 (325428)
06-23-2006 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
06-23-2006 3:41 PM


Faith writes:
Well, then, am I right or wrong that most practical science doesn't really make use of the ToE?
You're asking the wrong question. It isn't that every branch of science depends on the ToE. It's that every branch of science comes from the same root as ToE.
You're trying to excise a few "diseased" branches - ToE, geology, etc. - but the implication is that the whole tree is diseased. You can't fight Dutch Elm disease by pruning. You have to cut the whole tree down and burn it.
That's what YEC is trying to do to science.

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Message 121 of 312 (325707)
06-24-2006 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
06-24-2006 2:04 PM


Re: Macroevolution in my life
Faith writes:
If there are significant differences YEC scientists are intelligent enough to take them into account.
If there are significant YEC scientists (doing science), could you name a few hundred of them in a dozen or so pertinent fields? That would go a long way toward showing that YECism and science are not mutually exclusive.

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Message 152 of 312 (325802)
06-24-2006 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Buzsaw
06-24-2006 7:26 PM


Re: Creo Scientists
Buzsaw writes:
Doing Science relative to aspects of science debated here is not done extensively by Creos as a profession. Who would hire them?
If they could produce results, they would have no problem getting hired.
Why is there no YEC-Oil corporation exploring for petroleum using a YEC paradigm? Why is there no Pharma-YEC corporation producing new drugs using a YEC paradigm? Why is there no YEC Shipbuilding corporation building wooden ships that are "far more stable" than anything built from a non-YEC paradigm?
There are many areas where YEC "science" could be proving itself, but isn't.
Show us the results and YECism will be taken seriously. (You have my personal guarantee. )

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ringo
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Message 167 of 312 (325828)
06-24-2006 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by arachnophilia
06-24-2006 8:21 PM


Re: Creo Scientists
arachnophilia writes:
read some yec documents on the web. i think you'll find it mostly exists to just to counter evolution.
Of course. That's my point. (Ya didn't think I was a YEC, didja? )
If there was any science to it, we'd see competing YEC biology, competing YEC geology, competing YEC paleontology.... If they could produce anything useful, they would.
We don't even see "real" YEC scientists come on EvC to explain and defend their YEC "theories". Why not? We have a good number of real evo scientists here. Why do the YEC "scientists" leave it to the Faith-ful?

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ringo
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Message 177 of 312 (325838)
06-24-2006 9:00 PM
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06-24-2006 8:55 PM


Re: Creo Scientists
iano writes:
We have a good number of real evo scientists here.
Not down at the PEH thread we don't.
With all due respect to those who have tried to make it work, the Cesspool Showcase is a complete and utter waste of time.

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ringo
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Message 186 of 312 (325849)
06-24-2006 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by iano
06-24-2006 9:11 PM


Re: Creo Scientists
iano writes:
a 78 year old man renders the best evo@EvC has to offer silent?
With all due respect to those who have tried to make it work, "the best evo@EvC has to offer" haven't been near the place, have been booted out by the inmates or have been drowned out by the flame wars between the inmates.
And this is not this place to discuss it.
I've found it rather telling myself.
Keep on "telling yourself".
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