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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All a nihilist is is someone who believes there is no ultimate meaning to life. Most of you all here are nihilists, but you bury it under meanings you invent.
Well, Christianity is nihilistic as well, so we are all in the same boat. Don't see what you can possibly mean by this. Christianity gives an ultimate meaning to life. The opposite of nihilism.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5191 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
It will be, in a hundred years, as if you never existed. You are of no more significance than a roach crawling across the floor. Mozart, Aristotle, Elvis, Joan of Arc, Pilate, Caesar (Julius, Hadrian, et al), Monroe, Plato, Wordsworth, Victoria, Socrates, Brunel, James K Polk, Einstein, Mendel, Gandhi, Twain, Cobain, Lennon, Picasso, Hitler, Schindler, Genghis, Nobel, Chopin, Lincoln, Maugham, Newton, Pascal, Dali, Henry V & VIII, Shakespeare, Chaucer, Lawry, DeBeirs, Rhodes, Mother Theresa, Nelson, Nelson Mandela, Chaplin, Disney, Pope John XXIII, Martin Luther King, Henry Ford, Darwin, Biko, Bohr, Pollok, Astare, Brando, Curie, Cromwell, Da Vinci, Sagan, Addams, Wagner, Franklin, Gallileo, Archimedes, Verner Von Braun, Alexander Graham Bell, Van Gough, Baird, Brahms, Rodgers, Lang, Laszlo Biro, Louis Braille, Buckminster Fuller, Gutenberg, Paley, Frank Horby, James Dean, Marconi, Moog, Adolphe Sax, Sikorsky, Levi Strauss, Nikola Tesla, Turing, Orville & Wilbur, Boyle, Morse, Joule, Lister, Lord Kelvin, George Washington Carver, George Washington, Babbage, Hans Christian Anderson, Harold Lloyd, Oliver & Hardy, Kodak, Earhart, Al Capone, Babe Ruth, Columbus, Cleopatra, Diana The Princess of Wales, Dr Seuss, Eisenhower, Hendrix, Carter, Rosa Parks, Edison, Magellan, Pasteur, Jefferson, Bonaparte, Zheng He, Sigmund Freud, Richard Arkwright, Karl Marx, Nicolaus Copernicus, Kublai Khan, Simon Bolivar, Mary Wollstonecraft, Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Rene Descartes, Beethoven, Michelangelo, Vasco Da Gama, Suleyman The Magnificent, Calvin, Florence Nightingale, Hernan Cortes, Ibn Battita, Zhu Xi, John Locke, Akbar, Marco Polo, Dante Alighieri, Rockefeller, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Frederick Douglass, Louis XIV, Immanuel Kant, Fan Kuan, Otto Von Bismark, William the Conqueror, Guido of Arezz, John Harrison, Pope Innocent III, Hiram Maxim, Jande Addams, Cao Xueqin, Matteo Ricci, Louis Armstrong, Faraday, Ibn-Sina, Simone De Beauvoir, Jalal Ad-Din Ar-rumi, Adam Smith, Andrea Palladio, Peter the Great, Louis Jacques Mande Daguerre, Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier, Barnum, Hubble, Susan B Anthony, Raphael, Hellen Keller, Hokusai, Theodor Herzl, Elizabeth I, Claudio Monteverdi, Rodger Banister, Leo Tolstoy, John Von Neumann, Santiago Ramony Cajal, Jacques Cousteau, Catherine De Medicis, Ibn-Khaldun, Kwama Nkrumah, Carolus Linnaeus, Rembrant, Rubens, Diego Velazquez, Vermeer, Renoir, John Singer, Heemskerck, J R R Tolkien . And so the list could continue for many, many pages . Your point UTTERLY refuted. To not strive for anything, or to not seek happiness simply because there is no biological reason to is apathy and laziness to the extreme. To not want to define a meaning for yourself because you can’t see the point, or that there is no all powerful external authority telling you what to do and feel, is just sad.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I just can't handle the "wonder of life" syndrome. Yes, that makes more sense of the issue than "boasting" does, to my mind anyway. It's like I feel like throwing up at the song "We are the world, we are the children" and other such mindlessness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
But you're not simply insinuating you are right. You are putting yourself forward as superior to others because you beleive as you do. But the worst you can point out is a few statements that may be exaggerated.
But I'd say that your view is even more skewed. We are ordinary humans. We operate on the ordinary human level. Most of us will not, cannot, be one of those exceptional people who has a major effect on human history. But we can have an effect at our own level. Why is that no good ? Why not just be content with being human ?‘
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
To not strive for anything, or to not seek happiness simply because there is no biological reason to is apathy and laziness to the extreme. To not want to define a meaning for yourself because you can’t see the point, or that there is no all powerful external authority telling you what to do and feel, is just sad Who said anything about this?
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5076 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
There is a tendency among non-believers, in their eagerness to prove to believers that one can be very happy, fulfilled, and of high moral character without any religious belief, to exaggerate their qualities and the qualities of their experiences--thus the boasting. I agree with you that there is a desire among some atheists to prove happiness, fulfillment, etc. I'm sure I'm guilty of this myself. Yet, how can you possibly know that these people you speak of are exaggerating?
Ned in another thread spoke approvingly of a "healthy ego," but I do not find a sentimental view of oneself and of life to be healthy. I think it very unhealthy. So what?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You are putting yourself forward as superior to others because you beleive as you do. This argument is not about me. The only personal part was my being nauseated by boasts.
But we can have an effect at our own level. Why is that no good ? Why not just be content with being human ? There's nothing wrong with it--as long as we realize it. Then we can live more authentically. But if we have a sentimental vision of ourselves, we're living in a dream-bubble. We're not experiencing the quiddity of life.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Yet, how can you possibly know that these people you speak of are exaggerating? I don't know for certain. I just suspect it.
So what? Well, in the long run you're right: it doesn't matter. But I wasn't speaking of the long run.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Don't see what you can possibly mean by this. Christianity gives an ultimate meaning to life. The opposite of nihilism. It is just because you have used a very simplistic definition of Nihilism.
Christianity essentially removes meaning from earthly life.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
According to Nietzsche. Ha ha ha.
There's nothing nihilistic about Christianity concerning this life OR the next.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
These comments about my secret Christianity are very amusing. But you aren't a secret Christian! Why do you feel the need for a higher power to exist? What do you think is missing in your life? Are you needing a good woman to clear your mind? Sit on uncle Brian's knee and he'll help you. Brian.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Of course it's about you. Just becuase your boasting is phrased in a negative way - attacking others - doesn't make it any less boastful.
quote: Well then, there goes the only possible basis for your accusations of dishonesty. You'd need to show someone claiming to be more than human to back that up now.m
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
There's nothing nihilistic about Christianity concerning this life OR the next. According to Faith, the world famous philosopher. Brian.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Brian writes: Why do you feel the need for a higher power to exist? You do like to stick those little zingers in there don't you? It's not that we feel the need for a higher power. Christians are just searching for truth like everyone else. We have just come to a different conclusion that you have. I could ask; why do you fear a higher power? Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
You do like to stick those little zingers in there don't you? And I have a very high strike rate!!
It's not that we feel the need for a higher power. Christians are just searching for truth like everyone else. You could have asked me the Truth, it would have saved you a lot of time.
We have just come to a different conclusion that you have. You haven't looked hard enough then.
I could ask; why do you fear a higher power? How can I fear something that doesn't exist? Brian.
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